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Neophos · 2004-10-12, 19:13

Yeah. I put it all in spoilers, just in case...

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Kylar · 2004-10-12, 19:33

on your first spoiler, you have a point that his kick would be more powerful. Though you can also think of it this was too. As he increased his speed he was able to hit more, meaning that maybe one kick would do some much with the weight, but without it he could kick so many more times than that one making it seem that each hit came as one huge hit. If you get what im saying, either way it could balance out in the end.

Urashima-Sempai · 2004-10-12, 20:20

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Kovash · 2004-10-12, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Neophos

Yeah. I put it all in spoilers, just in case...

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From my small understanding of physics, I would say that the amount his speed is amplified without the weights would allow him to pack more hitting power than several ton weights.

Like, for example - A small projectile (rock) thrown at a large metal wall would barely scratch it, make the rock 30 times bigger and it probably makes a small dent; use the original size and make it 30 times faster, the area of damage is small, but do direct that you could imbed the rock into the wall.

In this case, applying a medium amount of damage to a large area is not as effective as a large amount of damage to a very small area.

Spoiler for For Episode '048 Crush Gaara!! Youthfulness! Power! Explosion!':

(not sure if this acctually NEEDS spoiler tags, we are already FAR past this point in the Anime...??? if it does, I'll edit.)

Neophos · 2004-10-12, 20:48

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Struggler · 2004-10-12, 21:39

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Originally Posted by Neophos

Yeah. I put it all in spoilers, just in case...

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Bflip · 2004-10-12, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Neophos

Yeah. I put it all in spoilers, just in case...

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Yeah, I guess with weights could mean a more powerful downward kick... but without the weights, the kicks are much faster. Speed is more important than weight. E = M (weight) C (speed)^2. Double the speed makes it four times the power.

Bflip · 2004-10-12, 22:00

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Neophos · 2004-10-12, 22:17

I just thought of something else...

How come Lee punches faster when he removes weight from the legs?? I mean, sure, his whole body would gain from such a removal of weight, but its not like his arms get faster/stronger by removing weights from the legs, or??

Because his punches go through the sheild of sand, means his arms much have gone over X speed to penetrate the sheild. I mean, the sheild uses some kind of "sense", not eyes to se the attacks, so him running around it wouldnt make it easier for his punches to get through...

or am i missing something??

EXAMPLE: Episode 48, 13:51 and some seconds forward, IIRC. He jsut comes, punches, and somehow his punch is much faster then before.

and yeah, i suck at physics...i never spent time learning the formulas, i just had fun with testing gravity and such ^_^

Kayess · 2004-10-12, 23:27

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Originally Posted by Neophos

I just thought of something else...

How come Lee punches faster when he removes weight from the legs?? I mean, sure, his whole body would gain from such a removal of weight, but its not like his arms get faster/stronger by removing weights from the legs, or??

Because his punches go through the sheild of sand, means his arms much have gone over X speed to penetrate the sheild. I mean, the sheild uses some kind of "sense", not eyes to se the attacks, so him running around it wouldnt make it easier for his punches to get through...

or am i missing something??

EXAMPLE: Episode 48, 13:51 and some seconds forward, IIRC. He jsut comes, punches, and somehow his punch is much faster then before.

and yeah, i suck at physics...i never spent time learning the formulas, i just had fun with testing gravity and such ^_^

He used the gained speed from the removal of the weights to position himself such that no sand was in the way between his strike and his opponent. The speed of this punches didn't change too much if anything.

Kovash · 2004-10-13, 01:03

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Originally Posted by Neophos

I just thought of something else...

How come Lee punches faster when he removes weight from the legs?? I mean, sure, his whole body would gain from such a removal of weight, but its not like his arms get faster/stronger by removing weights from the legs, or??

Because his punches go through the sheild of sand, means his arms much have gone over X speed to penetrate the sheild. I mean, the sheild uses some kind of "sense", not eyes to se the attacks, so him running around it wouldnt make it easier for his punches to get through...

or am i missing something??

EXAMPLE: Episode 48, 13:51 and some seconds forward, IIRC. He jsut comes, punches, and somehow his punch is much faster then before.

and yeah, i suck at physics...i never spent time learning the formulas, i just had fun with testing gravity and such ^_^

This is just assumption with no acctual evidence to back it up, but it helps things make sense;

I get the distinct impression that Lee's speed and strength are attributed to his high Chakra capacity; with more chakra to channel around his body (and none of it gets 'wasted' or reserved for Ninjutsu or Genjutsu) he can MAKE himself that fast.

This is also seen in Naruto when he goes all Kyuubi-fied against Neji and both his Strength and speed are IMMENSELY increased.

Anyway; The wieghts are meant to train his body but doesn't restrict just his strength and speed, because they are SO heavy he needs to channel a lot of chakra to his legs just to keep moving (but even then he is seen as faster than average... interesting huh?).

So by removing the wieghts his chakra goes further than before so he is able to move MUCH faster and so on.

Spoiler for In the anime, but just incase someone hasn't seen this far yet...:

Neophos · 2004-10-13, 08:06

Kayess: Still, the sheild dony have eyes. It shouldnt matter if he came up behind it and hits, because it should still protect. Even though Gaara couldnt see him, the sheild should act outside his knowledge, meaning it should shield such a weak blow. Later on i understand, if he hits on multiple places at nearly the same time that the shield cant block them all...

Kovash: Yeah. Good explanation...it seems that high chakra gives you a frikkin damn good power..(Naruto Jump Festa DVD 2004..>_> <_<) But still, can you really have such a great chakra without any training on it?? I mean, most ninjas that train nin jutsu would probably gain bigger chakra reserve....but Lee has to convert his pretty good stamina into chakra all the time, since i guess his chakra pool is small...

meh. It was still a good fight ^_^ I like all fights with Gaara...>_> and Lee..<_<

Kayess · 2004-10-13, 08:24

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Originally Posted by Neophos

Kayess: Still, the sheild dony have eyes. It shouldnt matter if he came up behind it and hits, because it should still protect. Even though Gaara couldnt see him, the sheild should act outside his knowledge, meaning it should shield such a weak blow. Later on i understand, if he hits on multiple places at nearly the same time that the shield cant block them all...

Kovash: Yeah. Good explanation...it seems that high chakra gives you a frikkin damn good power..(Naruto Jump Festa DVD 2004..>_> <_<) But still, can you really have such a great chakra without any training on it?? I mean, most ninjas that train nin jutsu would probably gain bigger chakra reserve....but Lee has to convert his pretty good stamina into chakra all the time, since i guess his chakra pool is small...

meh. It was still a good fight ^_^ I like all fights with Gaara...>_> and Lee..<_<

Does it matter how the sand senses the movement? The sand does have a speed. Which means it takes time to reach a portion of his body. If Lee is quicker than the sand's speed, he can attack areas which have not been protected yet.

lotus_lee · 2004-10-13, 08:28

Well, this is Naruto after all so if they want to defy the laws of nature, then let them. I was just happy to see Lee beat the crap out of Gaara (even though he lost) because it was time something good happened to Lee and that he got the respect he deserved.

nh1 · 2004-10-13, 08:30

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Originally Posted by Neophos

Kayess: Still, the sheild dony have eyes. It shouldnt matter if he came up behind it and hits, because it should still protect. Even though Gaara couldnt see him, the sheild should act outside his knowledge, meaning it should shield such a weak blow. Later on i understand, if he hits on multiple places at nearly the same time that the shield cant block them all...

Here's what Kayess meant:

Lee is in front of Gaara. The sand is in front of Gaara.
Lee runs...
Lee is now behind Gaara. The sand is merely on it's way.
Lee punches. The sand was too late to catch the punch.

Another interesting fact:
Lee is not a squid that punches with several arms at several places. He runs/jumps around and throws out punches directed at the enemy when he sees an opening.

Edit: Oh, Kayess already replied.

Kayess · 2004-10-13, 08:36

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Originally Posted by Neophos

Kayess: Still, the sheild dony have eyes. It shouldnt matter if he came up behind it and hits, because it should still protect. Even though Gaara couldnt see him, the sheild should act outside his knowledge, meaning it should shield such a weak blow. Later on i understand, if he hits on multiple places at nearly the same time that the shield cant block them all...

Kovash: Yeah. Good explanation...it seems that high chakra gives you a frikkin damn good power..(Naruto Jump Festa DVD 2004..>_> <_<) But still, can you really have such a great chakra without any training on it?? I mean, most ninjas that train nin jutsu would probably gain bigger chakra reserve....but Lee has to convert his pretty good stamina into chakra all the time, since i guess his chakra pool is small...

meh. It was still a good fight ^_^ I like all fights with Gaara...>_> and Lee..<_<

Does it matter how the sand senses the movement? The sand does have a speed. Which means it takes time to reach a portion of his body. If Lee is quicker than the sand's speed, he can attack areas which have not been protected yet.

hokagenaruto3 · 2004-10-13, 08:45

But then gaara uses armour of sand, so all Lee's movements were for nothing, not a single sratch on gaara.

Neophos · 2004-10-13, 08:57

Lee is in front of Gaara. The sand is in front of Gaara.
Lee runs...
Lee is now behind Gaara. The sand is merely on it's way.
Lee punches. The sand was too late to catch the punch.

Heres what its more like:

Lee is in front of Gaara. The sand is in all around of Gaara.
Lee runs...
Lee is now behind Gaara. The sand is already there, its been lying there the whole fight.

and it still fails to block the punch....

-___- he should have used

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Lee punches. The sand was too late to catch the punch.

Kayess · 2004-10-13, 16:55

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Originally Posted by Neophos

Lee is in front of Gaara. The sand is in front of Gaara.
Lee runs...
Lee is now behind Gaara. The sand is merely on it's way.
Lee punches. The sand was too late to catch the punch.

Heres what its more like:

Lee is in front of Gaara. The sand is in all around of Gaara.
Lee runs...
Lee is now behind Gaara. The sand is already there, its been lying there the whole fight.

and it still fails to block the punch....

-___- he should have used

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Lee punches. The sand was too late to catch the punch.

In order to deflect the power of the punch, alot of sand has to be concentrated in that area else the sand will just blow into Gaara's face as he recieves the blow. Another thing, even if the sand is completely emcompassing Gaara, it is ON the ground. It is not floating up in the air when it is not deflecting attacks. Which means THERE IS STILL A DISTANCE TO TRAVEL OVER A TIME, meaning Lee being faster allows him to hit Gaara.

It is a combination of both things.

Neophos · 2004-10-13, 17:06

I still cant se how a punch gets faster by removing weight from the legs...

and the sand is not lying there on the ground ^_^

it looks creepy, and moves around 15 cm above the ground or something...>_>

2004-10-12, 19:13	Link #1
Neophos I´m from Sweden ^_^ Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 35	About Lee... Yeah. I put it all in spoilers, just in case... Spoiler: I just rewatched Gaaa vs Lee fight, and started thinking about this weight thing... Yeah. Without those rather heavy weights, Lee was able to move very fast. But also, due to the centrifugal force law, his kicks must have been greatly weakened. I mean, try hitting someone 10 times with a stick. Now add 5 kilos weight to its top, and hit once. Much more pain and power. So really, when Lee activated the Gates, he should have put on the weights to gain much more power into his kicks. One kick with those weights on would surely bust Gaara up... Now if he did bust him up, he´d die later against Kimimaru...but thats another story =P Spoiler: Also, about Lee vs. Neji. Even if Neji closes Lees tenketsus...is it?? Lee can still attack...so in order for Neji to win, he has to do some internal damage...Lee´s organs must be in a frikkin mess, or he has some slick healing skills... So how come Lee still didnt stand a chance...Would Neji really give such wounds to a team mate? Last edited by Neophos; 2004-10-12 at 19:24.

2004-10-12, 20:20	Link #3
Urashima-Sempai Member Join Date: Sep 2004	Spoiler: He took off the weights so that he could move fast enough to get by Gaara's sand. Had he kept them on, he wouldn't have been able to make a hit. The gates were a last-resort type deal. I'm sure Lee knew the side-effects, hence why he waited until the end to do so. The gates gave him an enourmous amount of power, so much so that the weights probably wouldn't have even mattered. Last edited by Urashima-Sempai; 2004-10-12 at 20:20. Reason: typo

2004-10-12, 20:48	Link #5
Neophos I´m from Sweden ^_^ Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 35	Spoiler: Yeah, lets put everything in spoiler tags...is it possible to have a spoiler tag inside a spoiler tag?? Spoiler: >_> Ok, serius now..or a little atleast... Yeah, getting by Gaaras sand was the reason he threw of the weights. But i really think he should get custimization...like, a not-so-heavy weight to not lose as much power, but still gain some speed. or removing one of them only..>_> <_<

2004-10-13, 08:57	Link #18
Neophos I´m from Sweden ^_^ Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 35	Lee is in front of Gaara. The sand is in front of Gaara. Lee runs... Lee is now behind Gaara. The sand is merely on it's way. Lee punches. The sand was too late to catch the punch. Heres what its more like: Lee is in front of Gaara. The sand is in all around of Gaara. Lee runs... Lee is now behind Gaara. The sand is already there, its been lying there the whole fight. and it still fails to block the punch.... -___- he should have used Spoiler: The shukakuguard from chapter 23x Lee punches. The sand was too late to catch the punch.

2004-10-12, 19:33	Link #2
Kylar Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004	on your first spoiler, you have a point that his kick would be more powerful. Though you can also think of it this was too. As he increased his speed he was able to hit more, meaning that maybe one kick would do some much with the weight, but without it he could kick so many more times than that one making it seem that each hit came as one huge hit. If you get what im saying, either way it could balance out in the end.

2004-10-12, 22:17	Link #9
Neophos I´m from Sweden ^_^ Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 35	I just thought of something else... How come Lee punches faster when he removes weight from the legs?? I mean, sure, his whole body would gain from such a removal of weight, but its not like his arms get faster/stronger by removing weights from the legs, or?? Because his punches go through the sheild of sand, means his arms much have gone over X speed to penetrate the sheild. I mean, the sheild uses some kind of "sense", not eyes to se the attacks, so him running around it wouldnt make it easier for his punches to get through... or am i missing something?? EXAMPLE: Episode 48, 13:51 and some seconds forward, IIRC. He jsut comes, punches, and somehow his punch is much faster then before. and yeah, i suck at physics...i never spent time learning the formulas, i just had fun with testing gravity and such ^_^

2004-10-13, 08:06	Link #12
Neophos I´m from Sweden ^_^ Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 35	Kayess: Still, the sheild dony have eyes. It shouldnt matter if he came up behind it and hits, because it should still protect. Even though Gaara couldnt see him, the sheild should act outside his knowledge, meaning it should shield such a weak blow. Later on i understand, if he hits on multiple places at nearly the same time that the shield cant block them all... Kovash: Yeah. Good explanation...it seems that high chakra gives you a frikkin damn good power..(Naruto Jump Festa DVD 2004..>_> <_<) But still, can you really have such a great chakra without any training on it?? I mean, most ninjas that train nin jutsu would probably gain bigger chakra reserve....but Lee has to convert his pretty good stamina into chakra all the time, since i guess his chakra pool is small... meh. It was still a good fight ^_^ I like all fights with Gaara...>_> and Lee..<_<

2004-10-13, 08:28	Link #14
lotus_lee Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Age: 38	Well, this is Naruto after all so if they want to defy the laws of nature, then let them. I was just happy to see Lee beat the crap out of Gaara (even though he lost) because it was time something good happened to Lee and that he got the respect he deserved.

2004-10-13, 08:45	Link #17
hokagenaruto3 Crescent & Star Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Amsterdam Age: 37	But then gaara uses armour of sand, so all Lee's movements were for nothing, not a single sratch on gaara.

2004-10-13, 17:06	Link #20
Neophos I´m from Sweden ^_^ Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 35	I still cant se how a punch gets faster by removing weight from the legs... and the sand is not lying there on the ground ^_^ it looks creepy, and moves around 15 cm above the ground or something...>_>