2003-12-04, 15:38 | Link #1 |
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Are You In Favor Of Being Hacked?
I have been doing alot of research lately... on most fansub group and their distro system, and it seems that almost all groups uses hacked distro, I won;t mention out their names though, and I have nothing againist rooted bots btw.. just curious....
Also, about more then 60% of new fansub groups that sprung out of lately has rooted or rather hacked bots as their distro. Commonly refered to as XDCC Bots... However, no one is taking actions... IRC server says that no hacking script or dangerous stuff blah blah u know should be there, or some bad thing will happen to the user. However we all know that XDCC Bots are mostly hacked, and yet these servers allow them to stay on and let those bots scan and root more bots and more and more. And so now my question is, Is rooted bots really so damn unnoticeable or has it become a everyday's item? And then again, how would you like seeing yourself in IRC serving when u happen to join your favourite's anime fansub group channel in the future? |
2003-12-04, 17:06 | Link #2 |
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Both of them : they are very common, and it is not always that easy to make the distinction between hacked bots and legits ones. Most people don't care about the bot being hacked or not, as long as it provides lots of bandwidth. For myself, I find it funny that some groups brag about their respect of licences and stuff, and at the same time don't hesitate to break into someone else computer for the sake of distroing.
But the thing that pisses me off the most is people thinking "xdcc = hacked" and "xdcc = goddamn high speed". Damn, get a clue, xdcc is nothing else than offering file with the pack system. |
2003-12-04, 18:07 | Link #3 |
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Ok I think there are many hacked Bots around and often these Bots are fast but when they have good speed these Bots are not very stable .
But nevertheless their are Groups and I think it is the majority of Fansub Groups who have legal Bots of people with fast or slow connections who like the work of a Fansub Group and want to support them. For example I am running a xdcc server with only 17 kb/s on my box, it is slow, but a legal distro |
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2003-12-04, 19:03 | Link #7 |
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I think he's referring to the discussion in this thread here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=1167
It makes good reading, especially for people like me who had absolutely no clue that many of those yummy XDCC bots were actually illegal. -_-
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2003-12-05, 09:45 | Link #8 | |||||
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Hmm...first of all you need to be a real "#"#¤"¤ not to see that something is eating all your bandwidth. Second...most bots I've seen are legal. Most xdcc bots run iroffer or one of it mods from UNIX-like shell account which is legal as long as it's yours and u have permission for that (which u do if you pay for it).
Iroffer is perfect weapon for hack distro since u can make it to run as service (that way it will always be on even if u logout) and it can be fully administrated via DCC chat session. Here are some tips for Windows users to see if they have iroffer based xdcc bots on them. First close all irc related apps (bots, fservs, mirc...etc) now go to command prompt and issue command netstat -a now see if u have anything like this Quote:
If you didn't find it there then search for that exe in registry and you'll probably find it there. Now search that file that was passed as paramenter (in my example it's "something") and open it in notepad and search for line similar to this: Quote:
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Now join channel that ur bot sits on (REMEMBER not to KILL the bot) and try to do it from different IP then your own. After u're in chan do /msg nick_of_your_bot xdcc list and see what it offers and record output to notepad. Now see on channel is some1 mentions your bot...and also see who's admin of it.. (it can be also in config file on adminhost line and sometimes they're so stupid that asking "WOW that bot is nice...who's is it?" will do the trick). Just be creative and you'll know who's admin (there are better ways but they're harder for newbies). Then file a report on all what u have found and also logs from xdcc bot and channel itself also the config file for irforrer to IRCops (see /motd to get contact info for IRCops) and usually after a while that person will get Kline also now remember to kill the bot Now find out who's his ISP and file a report there too to get him a warning P.S. This is only for iroffer based xdcc bots that are used as hack distro. Sorry that I couldn't include more info and details...it would just take too long. This should give you the idea atleast how to fight hack distro. Also sorry for my spelling |
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2003-12-05, 10:26 | Link #9 | |
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b) Most bots currently are "hijacked". Some student goes to said company or school and installs a kit manually on random public computer. c) If you are on a edu, most users wont notice, its up to the net admin to notice. And then "its not always easy to figure out who is chatting and who is hacked" |
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2003-12-06, 08:39 | Link #11 | |
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2003-12-09, 19:16 | Link #12 |
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MircX probably would do something about it, as well as ETG. Aniverse wouldn't do jack really, which is sad given the hardcore pure fansubber stance the owners of the network always had on EFnet back in the day. (Only rip and sub titles you physically own)
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2003-12-11, 07:14 | Link #15 |
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hehe, yeah lotta kiddies on irc takes pride of being a "r00ter" and flock distro.
i saw this discussion and i had to sign up cuz talking about this on irc is retarded >.< i personally run a bot and a ftp serving unlicensed stuff. i havent encounterd any legal issues YET, but who knows how long i can hold out (been doing this for the past year). regarding unlicensed anime on "rooted" boxes, funny eh? i even had someone in charge of distro saying that he was "forced" to root to distro the anime out to people, but he agrees w/ me that rooting is wrong. (anybody else find that funny?) sys admins are part of this too. its their responsiblility to make sure their computers are safe and not doing stuff its not supposed to do. being a sys admin somewhat myself, most of these "rooted" stuff can be prevented with REALLY basic and elementary stuff (actually use a good admin password?), it almost serves them right.. ALMOST.. well, to those "rooters" (which i use so loosely cuz most of them are just script kiddies), be safe, dont get caught and sent to ass-fscking colony. |
2003-12-13, 06:22 | Link #17 |
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Do these threads ever stop? Hacked bots are everywhere, its wrong to do it, however since most people don't care enough where that file comes from they download it and complain if that bot goes below their 500 KB download limit. Its sad what people have become nowadays. ^_^ but threads like this are pointless. Somebody bringing it up just causes flaming and other crap. This thread should be closed imo. Any group out there who doesn't have any hacked bots if were offered I would imagine would say yes. Its just one of those things, they exist people use them. Its illegal yes, is fansubbing illegal? yes. everything is illegal! yet we still do it. IF a group wants to pride themselves on paying for a server thats fine, more power to them. However once you break 1000 leechers in your channel, that server bill go sky high. There is no such thing as server packages with 'unlimited' bandwidth. Those deals basically mean this:
You have unlimited BW until we say your using too much. hehe. Just some thoughts, does not even need a response! |
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Until people as individuals have a good understanding of computer security and how it relates to their day to day lives, sysadmins stop being overworked or underskilled, and people lose their massive impatience, I don't see hacked distro bandwidth going away. |
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2003-12-13, 14:03 | Link #20 | |
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