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Perfect 10 | 7 | 31.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 5 | 22.73% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 6 | 27.27% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 13.64% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 4.55% | |
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2015-03-21, 21:37 | Link #162 | |
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So it makes sense that despite Fubuki's training and effort she could not protect her admired sempai. Because she was not there to fulfill her duty by the flagship's orders. So I don't see the fault in Fubuki's training and efforts not being enough to protect Akagi and more in the judgement of Akagi who wanted everything so different from her dream that she walked basically blindly into a trap which might get herself and others killed. Quote:
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Could be the first time we saw blood, yeah. Even Kisaragi didnt seemed to bleed and that was after one killing hit. Thanks, though that alone doesn't exactly tell me what was meant with "pull a YuYuYu". XD |
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2015-03-21, 21:53 | Link #165 | |
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Though they use the English system of measurement for their weapons, there is no definitive proof that they are the Allies at all. And considering the Abyssals have a CLT (which the USN DID NOT have), it;s too far-fetched. And also, the recent trend of bosses being allusions to the IJN ships themselves weakens that theory further.
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2015-03-21, 21:59 | Link #166 | |
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We're not watching a Gen Urobuchi story, goddammit. Let's rid ourselves of his bullshit.
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2015-03-21, 22:50 | Link #168 | ||||||||
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If we pretend that MI really is the best choice, the formation needs to be fundamentally rethought, because the real MI formation, dumb as it is, is intended to fight something that will initially be undefended. Quote:
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Unlike a magical girl protagonist, which you can ass-pull however much you want, Fubuki is limited by her origins as a destroyer, with a relative mundane record. She isn't even necessarily first of the -bukis - in terms of commissioning date, she's more like 5th. Quote:
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Nevertheless, on screen, such an effect is never established. Further, it makes little sense in a world where launching planes is not an intricate process requiring hours, but a matter of launching an arrow. The moment Tone can't launch, Akagi can decide whether that sector is to be swept and just fire another arrow with next to no delay! That's why parodies can only be taken so far. Quote:
BTW, it is never made perfectly clear whether Fubuki is Kai or Kai-2 now - as you know her visual form is a mishmash. However, if she is Kai-2 as the producers probably intended, she is also the holder of an air radar, which is not on the carriers. Kongo Kai-2 also has Type 21 and 22 radars. In short, in one stroke Akagi stripped her fleet of radar! OMG! Quote:
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If we insist we must leave ships, and two of them too because we are worried about fighting "small patrol squadrons", then let the stay behinds be Yuudachi and Kitakami. I then would almost want to see the small patrol squadron because it's also a good way to give Yuudachi and Kitakami a moment. One reason this anime is not very good is because ... anime, you must allow everyone a good moment, not just the MC (especially when you picked a Lowest Common Denominator as your MC). The anime actually started off understanding this, but since Ep5 everything is kind of Fubuki, Fubuki, Fubuki, regardless of whether it makes sense. |
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2015-03-22, 04:25 | Link #169 |
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Pan-Paka-Pan!!
Our special type destroyer will surely save her precious sempai... she'll knock that bomb out of the sky and she will receive her precious sempai's and other's gratitude she'll feel so happy she'll... well, considering they're out in the sea then everyone's already wet I guess... Fubuki will come and she's coming not with the Main Fleet but with the Mean Fleet... ohhh, there's going to be abyssal bullying next episode... Yamato's coming with a possible 3 carries in tow... Nachi's order might be to turn around and head to MI after some time to help with the operation... Nagato and Mutsu might arrive with an additional fleet... it's the last episode so we need to at least see Nagato and Mutsu in action... There's no repeating of tragedy nano desu...
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It is pretty similar in the game: the last event didn't require specifically a DD, but a AA DD could completely turn the tables. That said, if you didn't deploy the usual strike force to deal with the thoughest abyssals, it is plainly useless. Quote:
1) it took them only a day after Fubuki got her second remodel to prepare the fleet along with the other naval district. 2) Deploying the whole fleet at once would be quite problematic because their movements would be even more obviously spotted if such large fleet were to be on the move on the same sector. Quote:
Note that Yuudachi was behind them, effectively serving as a screen for the rear. Quote:
As portrayed in the anime thus far, recon can't cover a wide area in a flash, and it is even worse due to the weather. So no, I don't see how Akagi could recall any carrier scout back to launch it immediately where Tone's recon plane should have been sent. Quote:
You are using the game details for very picky arguments, despite it has no relevancy here. Quote:
And while I won't deny they could make use of more actions scenes for Yuudachi and the likes, you aren't making any sence whatsoever here. An anime does not have to spread the focus on every protagonist whatsoever, and Kancolle early episodes made it clear the series is about Fubuki's potential and growth. By no means it is supposed to be a showdown of the most popular Kanmusu in the franchise, and these still had their lot of action in there (mostly Kongou, Kitakami/Ooi, Zuikaku, Sendai sisters, and Yamato to some extent) Hell, Fubuki only had 4 "good moments" so far: protecting Mutsuki in ep3, Taking command of the Mobile Fleet in ep5, saving Zuikaku and Shoukaku in ep7, her "training" with Akagi and Kaga in ep10. Really, that's not really a lot for a series that focuses a lot on its main character, and the aforementioned kanmusu managed to get their time to shine.
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2015-03-22, 07:14 | Link #171 |
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Long story short. If i'm not wrong, the theme of the anime is clear: the Admirals (or Kancolle players, also the main audience of the shows) will be the one to dictate the fate.
I can't guess if the Admiral disappearance was on purpose or was raised out of circumstances. But put yourself in his shoe, and it's obvious that the best way for him to revert the circumstance, is allow them to run their course , then intervene the last moment. This of course also work in the context that his communication code was broken, and he want to use it in his advantage The plan obviously was to fake the kanmusu's own plan: diversion attack to AL, while main fleet striking MI. But as it's seen, the MI force may actually be the the diversion instead to lure out the enemies, while the AL force return (with Ooi) along with Yamato, the Cranes sisters, and Taihou (and Nagato+Mutsu, maybe) to deal the blow. His biggest mistake was probably due to Akagi being fairly sharp with her PTSD, and instead of following his exact order, tried to prove things herself: attacked too soon, and leave Fubuki behind. As she will need a Kai Fubuki to protect her while the real main fleet (with Yamato+Taihou) approach to encircle the Abyss force. I don't think anyone will sink next episode. As they already set up the pairing. Akagi will be saved by Fubuki and her new AA Fire Detector. Kaga will be assisted by Zuikaku to return her favour (Zuikaga!!!). And Ooi will jump in to rescue KTKM. Hei obviously will have her Kongou oneesama of course. When you think about it, the anime could actually act as a massive prequel for the game. As in "look at how these ship girls are doomed to their fate when leave alone", unless you, the commander can come in to control and revert their fate.
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2015-03-22, 08:11 | Link #174 |
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Well I don't see Fubuki scuttling Akagi, she seems the type to carry her all the way back to base if it comes down to it. I wonder if Fubuki being in the fleet is the admiral's way of changing their fate...
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2015-03-22, 08:57 | Link #175 | |
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Well then this ultimately shots down the perception of the admiral being "sh!ty" and the perception of "Fubuki wasn't supposed to be a MC" in a way of "which one is deserving and which one is not". It's like giving a slap on their faces, along with their preconceptions on this series. |
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2015-03-22, 10:52 | Link #176 | |
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I also think that the sealed order is the real master plan that will turn the situation around. Both Kuma and Tama appear in OP but they haven't done anything untill now ,so they have to do something. I also hope to see Akatsuki sisters do something nice in battle.
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2015-03-22, 11:10 | Link #177 |
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And armor is supposed to withstand an enemy shell, and not punch it away. In any case, that isn't too far fetched considering the bombs here is almost the size of the enemy planes themselves. In real world bombs are much smaller than planes so hitting one would be way more difficulty than hitting a plane.
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2015-03-22, 12:37 | Link #179 | |
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It also will going full circle. remember how Akagi saved Fubuki in ep 1 right before she was "rammed" (or eaten) by the Abyssal destroyers? Will make sense if Fubuki gonna save Akagi the same way
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What they then should have done is to make the formation not loosely based on the failed Midway plan, but like this (sortieing from Truk) 1) Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku (I get to these two next section), Kongo, Hiei, Kirishima, Haruna, Fubuki, Yuudachi 2) Yamato, Nagato (you are not doing any good back there, Nagato), Mutsu, Atago, Takao, Myoko, Nachi, Ashigara, Haguro, three destroyers. (I'm pretending Ise, Hyuga, Fuso and Yamashiro don't exist because we didn't see them). 3) Mogami and Mikuma, Ryujo, Tone, Chikuma, Oi and Kitakami, remaining slots with destroyers or light cruisers. Basically, you use these in a similar fashion to what they actually did in Ep1 - the 3rd to scout and screen, the 2nd for surface action and at the back 1st to bomb and provide air cover. And they should all be in contact before entering the enemy zone, not afterwards. Quote:
I also find it absolutely stunning that even if I accept this premise, the idea of postponing the operation does not enter anyone's mind, especially those who feel they are trapped by fate. As for how they joined Yamato anyway, I guess I can give the teitoku some credit, but again it does Nagato and Akagi pretty poor credit. Now they can't even have a firm grasp of the state of their subordinates, which is not cool! Quote:
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As for your other point, in certain official works, they do try to fudge up an excuse for the 6-ship limit by saying if they are even one ship over, suddenly they for no reason at all they are much more detectable. But it does not seem to be the case here, and multi-sixpack operations have been done before in this show (all launching within minutes from the same base) so it doesn't seem to count here. Quote:
Actually, they did kind of do the screening concept correctly, in Ep9! I've seen people ask where the heck Soryu and Hiryu were. The answer is that they were following Mogami, Mutsuki and Fubuki, but screens sometimes are placed so far out to provide early warning that it is out of sight of the main formation. Quote:
1) You are sure half would be enough with confidence - if it doesn't you'd be surprised. However, it seems nobody was very surprised, which is as it should be, because as veteran carriers they should have mental models of what kind of bomb counts are required to destroy targets. 2) You don't think half would be enough, but you need to reserve planes to deal with other threats, so you'll settle for neutralization or even harassment. That's OK, but then Akagi definitely launched too fast (and she should have deployed a screen, so she might have time to shoot off torpedo bombers against ships that suddenly show up). 3) You don't think half would be enough and you don't feel there will be other threats, but a full strike will take so long to pump out that your leading planes will lose significant radius. This is the real life reason, but it doesn't apply here. Quote:
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Hiei doesn't act like she has radar in Ep11 when it would have helped (she should then have sensed the enemy planes before Yuudachi). I think it is reasonable to conclude she does not have radar (and neither does Tone nor Chikuma, though they did get radars eventually in the real world) in the anime. Quote:
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