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View Poll Results: KanColle - Episode 11 Rating
Perfect 10 7 31.82%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 5 22.73%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 6 27.27%
7 out of 10 : Good 3 13.64%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 4.55%
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Old 2015-03-21, 19:28   Link #161
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What's a YuYuYu?
I think he's referring to Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de Aru anime.
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Old 2015-03-21, 21:37   Link #162
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This makes me really confusing that even though they are female humans, but at the same time are battleships.

What is with this females sinking?
These things are not just solders, wait did I say things?
Well, they can cook and eat curry, so at least they are not machines.

Other than sinking, I think it is better to say they are drowning don't you people think so?
I just don't know.
The reason why you are confused is because you're trying to apply 3D standards to an anime. Just don't. The setting is that they're the manifestation of the ship's soul or whatever floats your boat. This, and nothing else. If it makes sense within the context of the anime, then it's perfectly fine.
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Old 2015-03-21, 21:40   Link #163
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Yeah a few things about that:

-) Akagi wouldn't be able to return as Midway Hime, Midway hime is a base (aka Midway island).

-) We don't actually know whether they are sunken ships that somehow fused together, or just one of two parts of the ship girls souls.

Remember - they have at least a slight idea how they ended, yet we have never seen anyone of them complain about it. And Nagato would have all right to QQ, because if it wasn't for high Radiation levels, after the test she wouldn't even have sunk.

Buckets are also something that can become rather rare during events (as the story hinted), so while they can indeed instantly repair a ship, they are still a valuable ressource, and do not grow on trees.
(obviously its not normal water in either the ship girls bath or the buckets)
Didn't knew that Midayway Hime was a base. Still if the whole shipgirls can become abyssals theory holds true then Akagi might become the Midway Hime after the fleetgirls returned home without her?

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What's the point of Fubuki being assigned as Akagi's escort if Akagi would die anyway? That doesn't make any fucking sense.
If Akagi gets sunk, then all Fubuki had trained and aspired for was all in vain and the story just went one giant leap back.
I'd agree with you if it were not for Akagi sending he escort away. If Fubuki had been with Akagi the whole time she surely would have shot down that plane before it could drop its bomb on Akagi.
So it makes sense that despite Fubuki's training and effort she could not protect her admired sempai. Because she was not there to fulfill her duty by the flagship's orders. So I don't see the fault in Fubuki's training and efforts not being enough to protect Akagi and more in the judgement of Akagi who wanted everything so different from her dream that she walked basically blindly into a trap which might get herself and others killed.

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This makes me really confusing that even though they are female humans, but at the same time are battleships.

What is with this females sinking?
These things are not just solders, wait did I say things?
Well, they can cook and eat curry, so at least they are not machines.

Other than sinking, I think it is better to say they are drowning don't you people think so?
I just don't know.
The way I see it, the girl drowns while the ship soul/spirit sinks, so basically it is both. They can eat Bauxite which clearly are some kinda rock thingie and I doubt we humans could eat that without upsetting our stomaches. XD
So, no idea what the shipgirls actually are.^^

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So Midway happened without Midway Hime? I have a hard time believing the anime will end without her showing up. I mean it's in her name. Can the anime end without a proper boss fight? the damaged Wo-Carrier doesn't give be boss unit vibes to me.
Also Akagi trying to fight fate but seemingly failing which causes her to fall into dispair at the end. I get the feeling that the end of this episode was the birth of Midway Hime and next episode Fubuki et al. will have to defeat the corrupted Akagi.

By the way, was this the first time blood was shown?
Yeah, I was a bit disappointed when we didn't got Midway Hime, I had looked forward for her to show up. It would be interesting to see Akagi take the Airfield Hime's place after the fleetgirls victory albeit with her getting sunk there and then returning as Midway Hime.

Could be the first time we saw blood, yeah. Even Kisaragi didnt seemed to bleed and that was after one killing hit.

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I think he's referring to Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de Aru anime.
Thanks, though that alone doesn't exactly tell me what was meant with "pull a YuYuYu". XD
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Old 2015-03-21, 21:49   Link #164
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Didn't knew that Midayway Hime was a base. Still if the whole shipgirls can become abyssals theory holds true then Akagi might become the Midway Hime after the fleetgirls returned home without her?
No there is another princess which looks like a fusion of two certain other carriers... She is a carrier though, and not an installment.

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The way I see it, the girl drowns while the ship soul/spirit sinks, so basically it is both. They can eat Bauxite which clearly are some kinda rock thingie and I doubt we humans could eat that without upsetting our stomaches. XD
So, no idea what the shipgirls actually are.^^
Before it gets into your stomache into a human stomache it probably breaks a human's theeth first if they try to eat it

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Yeah, I was a bit disappointed when we didn't got Midway Hime, I had looked forward for her to show up. It would be interesting to see Akagi take the Airfield Hime's place after the fleetgirls victory albeit with her getting sunk there and then returning as Midway Hime.
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Old 2015-03-21, 21:53   Link #165
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I really hope that the Abyssals are are not the US navy so that my dream to see Enterprise-san can be a reality someday....
For the love of crap people still believe that Abyssals = USN?

Though they use the English system of measurement for their weapons, there is no definitive proof that they are the Allies at all. And considering the Abyssals have a CLT (which the USN DID NOT have), it;s too far-fetched.

And also, the recent trend of bosses being allusions to the IJN ships themselves weakens that theory further.
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I'd agree with you if it were not for Akagi sending he escort away. If Fubuki had been with Akagi the whole time she surely would have shot down that plane before it could drop its bomb on Akagi.
So it makes sense that despite Fubuki's training and effort she could not protect her admired sempai. Because she was not there to fulfill her duty by the flagship's orders. So I don't see the fault in Fubuki's training and efforts not being enough to protect Akagi and more in the judgement of Akagi who wanted everything so different from her dream that she walked basically blindly into a trap which might get herself and others killed.
And it's not Fubuki's fault. Akagi's decision stemmed from the doubts in her head brought by images of the past. Fubuki shouldn't suffer for that, or rather, Fubuki's moments of suffering must be rewarded with fulfillment.

We're not watching a Gen Urobuchi story, goddammit. Let's rid ourselves of his bullshit.
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Old 2015-03-21, 22:09   Link #167
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Thanks, though that alone doesn't exactly tell me what was meant with "pull a YuYuYu". XD
To really understand what he's referring to, I think you'd better watch the series yourself . It's a treat.
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Nagato had to figure the Admiral's plan after the "doolittle raid". It is quite obvious that MI base is the major threat for them, because the Abyssals carrier fleet is roaming around. The shows strongly implied that if they don't take out MI, the Wo-class kai and her fleet will harass them during their sorties.
Yes, the point is to get the carriers (another historical parallel). However, after that, you should think harder as to whether attacking a clearly defended, in fact the best defended base (they said there was the most vigorous response there) is the smartest way of doing so. Especially when even the few real-life points for attacking MI is not here (Yamamoto did not have an easy time pushing MI, mostly because it was so dumb).

If we pretend that MI really is the best choice, the formation needs to be fundamentally rethought, because the real MI formation, dumb as it is, is intended to fight something that will initially be undefended.

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Fubuki kai ni, both in the game and anime, has the Anti Aircraft Fire Director, and she is pretty much one of the best DD in term of AA.
Which as I understand it is very far from Akizuki's level. I've actually seen a couple of AACIs without Akizuki (on video). You might be able to draw blood even without AACI, but only with an Akizuki's CI did I ever see the rather ridiculous result of all planes shot down, Strike Neutralized.

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If we consider the anime context while ignoring the game, it still makes sense to capitalize on Fubuki because 1) she is a special type destroyer 2) she has the proper gear to deal with AA.
Capitalizing is a great idea. I don't mind the Teitoku's efforts to buff Fubuki. But the entire attempt to say she will change everything is a bit thin. This is one of the limitations of using a destroyer as your protagonist, but the show's makers didn't realize that.

Unlike a magical girl protagonist, which you can ass-pull however much you want, Fubuki is limited by her origins as a destroyer, with a relative mundane record. She isn't even necessarily first of the -bukis - in terms of commissioning date, she's more like 5th.

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Also, moving to Truk is a bad idea because they are under radio silence and should Yamato's fleet take another route and miss them, Yamato and her escort would be at the mercy of the Wo kai fleet as they don't have any air support.
Here's what they should have done. They should have forward-deployed to Truk instead of angsting around at base. Then they can launch right with Yamato. They won't have coordination problems with Yamato because they can see her from the very start.

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Huh? It actually makes even more sense in the anime than in the game: Tone not being able to launch recon planes mean that there IS a blind spot in their recon area, and that blind spot could explain why they didn't realize there was a fleet right behind them.
Actually, I don't mind them not seeing the enemy fleet - it does happen. Though considering the enemy fleet got close enough for a surface action, here is another place one must say Akagi's new plan actually managed to be a downgrade of a sucky plan - in the original, the destroyer screen deployed as pickets to spot incoming enemies. Akagi removed that screen!

Nevertheless, on screen, such an effect is never established. Further, it makes little sense in a world where launching planes is not an intricate process requiring hours, but a matter of launching an arrow. The moment Tone can't launch, Akagi can decide whether that sector is to be swept and just fire another arrow with next to no delay! That's why parodies can only be taken so far.

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It actually makes sense for her to leave the AA destroyer behind since it is possible for the carriers to fend off enemy aircraft with their own, as long as they weren't taken by surprise like that.
That would only be true if they are actually looking around (one of the limitations of using humans as ships is that humans tend to mostly look forward unless specifically tasked especially when they are moving - if something hadn't prompted Yuudachi to glance back, our Abyssals would have gotten a torpedo drop on an unalerted target). And they can fend off enemy aircraft only if they put up a CAP!

BTW, it is never made perfectly clear whether Fubuki is Kai or Kai-2 now - as you know her visual form is a mishmash. However, if she is Kai-2 as the producers probably intended, she is also the holder of an air radar, which is not on the carriers. Kongo Kai-2 also has Type 21 and 22 radars. In short, in one stroke Akagi stripped her fleet of radar! OMG!

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Meanwhile, there is nothing that insure Yamato's fleet safety, should they are caught up by the enemy carrier fleet.
That's why perhaps they should just have gone to Truk and sortied with Yamato the day of the operation.

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Also, leaving Fubuki behind would be pretty much suicide if she were to encounter a small patrol squadron.
If she encountered a "small patrol squadron", if she concentrates on fleeing and they do not make a three sector attack, she can move at a comparable speed versus the enemy and avoid being engaged. Besides, the correct solution is to merely leave a few planes to spot and guide Yamato as she approaches that rock.

If we insist we must leave ships, and two of them too because we are worried about fighting "small patrol squadrons", then let the stay behinds be Yuudachi and Kitakami. I then would almost want to see the small patrol squadron because it's also a good way to give Yuudachi and Kitakami a moment. One reason this anime is not very good is because ... anime, you must allow everyone a good moment, not just the MC (especially when you picked a Lowest Common Denominator as your MC). The anime actually started off understanding this, but since Ep5 everything is kind of Fubuki, Fubuki, Fubuki, regardless of whether it makes sense.
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Our special type destroyer will surely save her precious sempai... she'll knock that bomb out of the sky and she will receive her precious sempai's and other's gratitude she'll feel so happy she'll... well, considering they're out in the sea then everyone's already wet I guess...

Fubuki will come and she's coming not with the Main Fleet but with the Mean Fleet... ohhh, there's going to be abyssal bullying next episode... Yamato's coming with a possible 3 carries in tow... Nachi's order might be to turn around and head to MI after some time to help with the operation... Nagato and Mutsu might arrive with an additional fleet... it's the last episode so we need to at least see Nagato and Mutsu in action...

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If we pretend that MI really is the best choice, the formation needs to be fundamentally rethought, because the real MI formation, dumb as it is, is intended to fight something that will initially be undefended.
And I don't see how the formation should have been reworked considering it is the best they can have from what we have seen thus far in the series: they intended to deploy Shoukaku and Zuikaku as well, but repairs wouldn't make in time, although both still joined Yamato anyway.
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Which as I understand it is very far from Akizuki's level. I've actually seen a couple of AACIs without Akizuki (on video). You might be able to draw blood even without AACI, but only with an Akizuki's CI did I ever see the rather ridiculous result of all planes shot down, Strike Neutralized.
Please don't use videos whatsoever. Akizuki might be the best AA CI destroyer, but other DD around 60-70 AA can wreck enemy planes. Even when they rarely destroy all of them, Fubuki, Hatsushimo and Shigure destroy so many planes that even a Wo class kai has trouble to severely damage anyone that isn't a destroyer.
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Capitalizing is a great idea. I don't mind the Teitoku's efforts to buff Fubuki. But the entire attempt to say she will change everything is a bit thin. This is one of the limitations of using a destroyer as your protagonist, but the show's makers didn't realize that.
I don't see how the show stated she is the "decisive factor". Instead, the admiral stated to Nagato she will be necessary for the upcoming operations, as in her contributions will balanced out the odds. Which means that if it wasn't for the other kanmusu, Fubuki wouldn't really change things like that.
It is pretty similar in the game: the last event didn't require specifically a DD, but a AA DD could completely turn the tables. That said, if you didn't deploy the usual strike force to deal with the thoughest abyssals, it is plainly useless.
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Here's what they should have done. They should have forward-deployed to Truk instead of angsting around at base. Then they can launch right with Yamato. They won't have coordination problems with Yamato because they can see her from the very start.
They just can't:
1) it took them only a day after Fubuki got her second remodel to prepare the fleet along with the other naval district.
2) Deploying the whole fleet at once would be quite problematic because their movements would be even more obviously spotted if such large fleet were to be on the move on the same sector.
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Actually, I don't mind them not seeing the enemy fleet - it does happen. Though considering the enemy fleet got close enough for a surface action, here is another place one must say Akagi's new plan actually managed to be a downgrade of a sucky plan - in the original, the destroyer screen deployed as pickets to spot incoming enemies. Akagi removed that screen!
There was no way for her to leave ships behind without any DD. Denying DD for the ships left behind would mean they have absolutely nothing regarding the screen.
Note that Yuudachi was behind them, effectively serving as a screen for the rear.
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Nevertheless, on screen, such an effect is never established. Further, it makes little sense in a world where launching planes is not an intricate process requiring hours, but a matter of launching an arrow. The moment Tone can't launch, Akagi can decide whether that sector is to be swept and just fire another arrow with next to no delay! That's why parodies can only be taken so far.
Launching planes faster doesn't mean she can spam it. Akagi definitely has a certain number of planes at her disposal, which is why she was still thinking whether or not she had to deploy a second wave of bombers.
As portrayed in the anime thus far, recon can't cover a wide area in a flash, and it is even worse due to the weather. So no, I don't see how Akagi could recall any carrier scout back to launch it immediately where Tone's recon plane should have been sent.
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BTW, it is never made perfectly clear whether Fubuki is Kai or Kai-2 now - as you know her visual form is a mishmash. However, if she is Kai-2 as the producers probably intended, she is also the holder of an air radar, which is not on the carriers. Kongo Kai-2 also has Type 21 and 22 radars. In short, in one stroke Akagi stripped her fleet of radar! OMG!
I don't see the issue since Hiei is still there, and has de facto a radar equipped considering Kirishima, Mogami and Yamato used the radar of their own design despite they "don't have a radar equipment, game wise". The show has demonstrated already that they don't follow the game logic completely, and that every ships have their usual capability.
You are using the game details for very picky arguments, despite it has no relevancy here.
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If we insist we must leave ships, and two of them too because we are worried about fighting "small patrol squadrons", then let the stay behinds be Yuudachi and Kitakami. I then would almost want to see the small patrol squadron because it's also a good way to give Yuudachi and Kitakami a moment. One reason this anime is not very good is because ... anime, you must allow everyone a good moment, not just the MC (especially when you picked a Lowest Common Denominator as your MC). The anime actually started off understanding this, but since Ep5 everything is kind of Fubuki, Fubuki, Fubuki, regardless of whether it makes sense.
Kitakami also serve as a screen, even though she is a much thougher attacker than your usual CL. So no, it makes more sense to leave Kongou behind since they already have Hiei and the plan was to use the carrier advantage, so no point in capitalizing on battleships, whereas they need screen anyway.

And while I won't deny they could make use of more actions scenes for Yuudachi and the likes, you aren't making any sence whatsoever here. An anime does not have to spread the focus on every protagonist whatsoever, and Kancolle early episodes made it clear the series is about Fubuki's potential and growth. By no means it is supposed to be a showdown of the most popular Kanmusu in the franchise, and these still had their lot of action in there (mostly Kongou, Kitakami/Ooi, Zuikaku, Sendai sisters, and Yamato to some extent)
Hell, Fubuki only had 4 "good moments" so far: protecting Mutsuki in ep3, Taking command of the Mobile Fleet in ep5, saving Zuikaku and Shoukaku in ep7, her "training" with Akagi and Kaga in ep10.
Really, that's not really a lot for a series that focuses a lot on its main character, and the aforementioned kanmusu managed to get their time to shine.
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Long story short. If i'm not wrong, the theme of the anime is clear: the Admirals (or Kancolle players, also the main audience of the shows) will be the one to dictate the fate.
I can't guess if the Admiral disappearance was on purpose or was raised out of circumstances. But put yourself in his shoe, and it's obvious that the best way for him to revert the circumstance, is allow them to run their course , then intervene the last moment. This of course also work in the context that his communication code was broken, and he want to use it in his advantage


The plan obviously was to fake the kanmusu's own plan: diversion attack to AL, while main fleet striking MI. But as it's seen, the MI force may actually be the the diversion instead to lure out the enemies, while the AL force return (with Ooi) along with Yamato, the Cranes sisters, and Taihou (and Nagato+Mutsu, maybe) to deal the blow. His biggest mistake was probably due to Akagi being fairly sharp with her PTSD, and instead of following his exact order, tried to prove things herself: attacked too soon, and leave Fubuki behind. As she will need a Kai Fubuki to protect her while the real main fleet (with Yamato+Taihou) approach to encircle the Abyss force.

I don't think anyone will sink next episode. As they already set up the pairing. Akagi will be saved by Fubuki and her new AA Fire Detector. Kaga will be assisted by Zuikaku to return her favour (Zuikaga!!!). And Ooi will jump in to rescue KTKM. Hei obviously will have her Kongou oneesama of course.

When you think about it, the anime could actually act as a massive prequel for the game. As in "look at how these ship girls are doomed to their fate when leave alone", unless you, the commander can come in to control and revert their fate.
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What if the sealed orders hold by Nachi was to actually join up with the main force at MI?
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What if the sealed orders hold by Nachi was to actually join up with the main force at MI?
I also have doubt at first, but considering Ooi was in that fleet. It's almost certain that she will come back to save KTKM.
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Well I don't see Fubuki scuttling Akagi, she seems the type to carry her all the way back to base if it comes down to it. I wonder if Fubuki being in the fleet is the admiral's way of changing their fate...

They should have loaded Hiei with type-3 shells since they knew they were headed for anti-air combat...

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Haha, that's what I thought too...
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Long story short. If i'm not wrong, the theme of the anime is clear: the Admirals (or Kancolle players, also the main audience of the shows) will be the one to dictate the fate.
I can't guess if the Admiral disappearance was on purpose or was raised out of circumstances. But put yourself in his shoe, and it's obvious that the best way for him to revert the circumstance, is allow them to run their course , then intervene the last moment. This of course also work in the context that his communication code was broken, and he want to use it in his advantage


The plan obviously was to fake the kanmusu's own plan: diversion attack to AL, while main fleet striking MI. But as it's seen, the MI force may actually be the the diversion instead to lure out the enemies, while the AL force return (with Ooi) along with Yamato, the Cranes sisters, and Taihou (and Nagato+Mutsu, maybe) to deal the blow. His biggest mistake was probably due to Akagi being fairly sharp with her PTSD, and instead of following his exact order, tried to prove things herself: attacked too soon, and leave Fubuki behind. As she will need a Kai Fubuki to protect her while the real main fleet (with Yamato+Taihou) approach to encircle the Abyss force.

I don't think anyone will sink next episode. As they already set up the pairing. Akagi will be saved by Fubuki and her new AA Fire Detector. Kaga will be assisted by Zuikaku to return her favour (Zuikaga!!!). And Ooi will jump in to rescue KTKM. Hei obviously will have her Kongou oneesama of course.

When you think about it, the anime could actually act as a massive prequel for the game. As in "look at how these ship girls are doomed to their fate when leave alone", unless you, the commander can come in to control and revert their fate.
This pretty much consolidate my point of view.

Well then this ultimately shots down the perception of the admiral being "sh!ty" and the perception of "Fubuki wasn't supposed to be a MC" in a way of "which one is deserving and which one is not". It's like giving a slap on their faces, along with their preconceptions on this series.
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I also think that the sealed order is the real master plan that will turn the situation around. Both Kuma and Tama appear in OP but they haven't done anything untill now ,so they have to do something. I also hope to see Akatsuki sisters do something nice in battle.

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I don't think anyone will sink next episode. As they already set up the pairing. Akagi will be saved by Fubuki and her new AA Fire Detector. Kaga will be assisted by Zuikaku to return her favour (Zuikaga!!!). And Ooi will jump in to rescue KTKM. Hei obviously will have her Kongou oneesama of course.
I thought AA is designed to shot down enemy plane NOT the falling bomb.
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I thought AA is designed to shot down enemy plane NOT the falling bomb.
And armor is supposed to withstand an enemy shell, and not punch it away. In any case, that isn't too far fetched considering the bombs here is almost the size of the enemy planes themselves. In real world bombs are much smaller than planes so hitting one would be way more difficulty than hitting a plane.
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Old 2015-03-22, 11:20   Link #178
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Going by the dream, the bomb doesn't sink Akagi. (it will hurt a lot though).
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I thought AA is designed to shot down enemy plane NOT the falling bomb.
Normally that will be the case. But if shooting down planes were Fubuki's pre-remodeled training. I guess her real act of heroes have to be more difficult than that. So yeah: bombs

It also will going full circle. remember how Akagi saved Fubuki in ep 1 right before she was "rammed" (or eaten) by the Abyssal destroyers? Will make sense if Fubuki gonna save Akagi the same way
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And I don't see how the formation should have been reworked considering it is the best they can have from what we have seen thus far in the series:
While it may be hard to think of the absolute best formation, it is not hard to come up with a better one. Based on the original anime plan, they can use up to 33 vessels and 12 vessels per "squadron" (we'd pretend that's the limit).

What they then should have done is to make the formation not loosely based on the failed Midway plan, but like this (sortieing from Truk)
1) Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku (I get to these two next section), Kongo, Hiei, Kirishima, Haruna, Fubuki, Yuudachi

2) Yamato, Nagato (you are not doing any good back there, Nagato), Mutsu, Atago, Takao, Myoko, Nachi, Ashigara, Haguro, three destroyers. (I'm pretending Ise, Hyuga, Fuso and Yamashiro don't exist because we didn't see them).

3) Mogami and Mikuma, Ryujo, Tone, Chikuma, Oi and Kitakami, remaining slots with destroyers or light cruisers.

Basically, you use these in a similar fashion to what they actually did in Ep1 - the 3rd to scout and screen, the 2nd for surface action and at the back 1st to bomb and provide air cover. And they should all be in contact before entering the enemy zone, not afterwards.

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they intended to deploy Shoukaku and Zuikaku as well, but repairs wouldn't make in time, although both still joined Yamato anyway.
CarDiv 5 really is a plot hole that does the anime no credit. Yes, Shokaku was damaged. She took a bath in Episode 8 and looked fine and dandy coming out of it. Again it is the show taking a historical parody too far, this time not even acknowledging what they had already written. At the very least they could have tried a lame dodge such as "Oh we couldn't replace the expended arrows" which at least won't contradict what they've already drawn. They used "repair", leaving us with zero maneuvering room.

I also find it absolutely stunning that even if I accept this premise, the idea of postponing the operation does not enter anyone's mind, especially those who feel they are trapped by fate.

As for how they joined Yamato anyway, I guess I can give the teitoku some credit, but again it does Nagato and Akagi pretty poor credit. Now they can't even have a firm grasp of the state of their subordinates, which is not cool!

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Instead, the admiral stated to Nagato she will be necessary for the upcoming operations, as in her contributions will balanced out the odds. Which means that if it wasn't for the other kanmusu, Fubuki wouldn't really change things like that.
That's not very different from my basic point, which is to say that it was a real pull plotwise or planwise to say a destroyer will have that much effect. It'll only be even more absurd if she can determine the fate of the war by herself alone, but as it is, it is pretty bad.

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They just can't:
1) it took them only a day after Fubuki got her second remodel to prepare the fleet along with the other naval district.
It isn't clear it was only one day, but if we insist it was, do remember that as far as anyone can see, it also takes well less than a day to move to Truk or to Midway for that matter (all distances are compressed in this anime compared to RL). They can just decide who's going in the morning, arrive in the afternoon, get a good night's sleep, and head north the day of the operation.

As for your other point, in certain official works, they do try to fudge up an excuse for the 6-ship limit by saying if they are even one ship over, suddenly they for no reason at all they are much more detectable. But it does not seem to be the case here, and multi-sixpack operations have been done before in this show (all launching within minutes from the same base) so it doesn't seem to count here.

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Note that Yuudachi was behind them, effectively serving as a screen for the rear.
That you are at the formation's back does not equate a screen. A screen is a dispersed formation, generally composed of light units, that you deploy at a distance from your main formation - either across its front, semicircle in front or circular. Its biggest purpose is to buy the main force warning time. In the case of a kanmusu, this is actually relatively easy because the launch speed is so fast - buying two minutes can allow for a scramble. But no. There is no screen. Because Akagi has decided her response to seeing Maikaze in her dream is to dump Maikaze's division from her formation. Uh...

Actually, they did kind of do the screening concept correctly, in Ep9! I've seen people ask where the heck Soryu and Hiryu were. The answer is that they were following Mogami, Mutsuki and Fubuki, but screens sometimes are placed so far out to provide early warning that it is out of sight of the main formation.

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Launching planes faster doesn't mean she can spam it. Akagi definitely has a certain number of planes at her disposal, which is why she was still thinking whether or not she had to deploy a second wave of bombers.
There are only three valid reasons for a half-strike:
1) You are sure half would be enough with confidence - if it doesn't you'd be surprised. However, it seems nobody was very surprised, which is as it should be, because as veteran carriers they should have mental models of what kind of bomb counts are required to destroy targets.
2) You don't think half would be enough, but you need to reserve planes to deal with other threats, so you'll settle for neutralization or even harassment. That's OK, but then Akagi definitely launched too fast (and she should have deployed a screen, so she might have time to shoot off torpedo bombers against ships that suddenly show up).
3) You don't think half would be enough and you don't feel there will be other threats, but a full strike will take so long to pump out that your leading planes will lose significant radius. This is the real life reason, but it doesn't apply here.

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As portrayed in the anime thus far, recon can't cover a wide area in a flash, and it is even worse due to the weather. So no, I don't see how Akagi could recall any carrier scout back to launch it immediately where Tone's recon plane should have been sent.
I didn't say she should recall scouts. I said as soon as Tone can't launch, she should decide whether that sector is needed, and if yes, she should take a new Type 97 arrow and fire it.

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I don't see the issue since Hiei is still there, and has de facto a radar equipped considering Kirishima, Mogami and Yamato used the radar of their own design despite they "don't have a radar equipment, game wise". The show has demonstrated already that they don't follow the game logic completely, and that every ships have their usual capability.
I'm not entirely following the game here either. However, in addition to the game (that forms the anime's basis), the anime never previously showed Hiei as one with radar (only Kirishima). By the way, the real Hiei died before she got radar.

Hiei doesn't act like she has radar in Ep11 when it would have helped (she should then have sensed the enemy planes before Yuudachi).

I think it is reasonable to conclude she does not have radar (and neither does Tone nor Chikuma, though they did get radars eventually in the real world) in the anime.

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So no, it makes more sense to leave Kongou behind since they already have Hiei and the plan was to use the carrier advantage, so no point in capitalizing on battleships, whereas they need screen anyway.
You can't really form a screen with one ship anyway. And Kongo, as a battleship, is overall more useful than Kitakami as an escort for Akagi. You can use real stats or you can use game stats, but Kongo has much more firepower and resillence.

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Hell, Fubuki only had 4 "good moments" so far: protecting Mutsuki in ep3, Taking command of the Mobile Fleet in ep5, saving Zuikaku and Shoukaku in ep7, her "training" with Akagi and Kaga in ep10.
The last one actually caused Fubuki's stock to drop in my heart, but anyway 4 good moments for the protagonist is not bad for a one-cour. I don't begrudge giving Fubuki 4 moments, but even in a one-cour one can find time to give good moments (which is a bit more than just them working) to the protagonist's friends, and this isn't happening since Ep4 or so.
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