Shin High School DxD Volume 2 Discussion

[syzorst]

Originally Posted by XFire

No, period. Fenrir can not interfere before Strada launches the attack, and then must either block it himself (taking damage) or ignore Gog and focus on Strada.

She literally didn't do anything. She didn't launch a single attack after that observation.

Restraining him doesn't reduce his strength, meaning Vali still had to overcome Fenrir's strength to escape his jaws.

Gasper wasn't the one on the ground, and I was being facetious anyway. Strada can just throw Fenrir to the other side of the battlefield.

She wasn't in a corner. Strada has proven he can take out Gog instantly while fighting someone around the level Fenrir was at, he's stronger than the guy who physically restrained full power Fenrir, and he's already proven to be more than fast enough to keep up with people who kept up with full power Fenrir.

Wow, you guys have been going at it. A quick question. Do you think Vali's team performed better against Rias team than Issei's team did? I've been in multiple discussions with people that thinks Vali's team performed better because he only lost a single member while Issei's team lost 5 members.

[Parry999]

Strada being stronger then Fenrir or Balor Rias ummmmmmmmm is there any actual evidence of that at all? Fenrir is litterally a HD class being. Just cause he wrecked Ejod doesn't put him anywhere near HD class. No body has restrained a full power Fenrir he was nerfed by the chain. Also Gog is a featless Golem that lost to Cao Cao in base lmao. Fenrir fangs only being affective on God's smells like head canon and if it did doesn't negate how physically strong Fenrir is being on par with hd classes in physical strength. Vali wasn't even bothered by what prime Strada did to him as he litterally fights Crom afterwords in DxD L.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Parry999

Strada being stronger then Fenrir or Balor Rias ummmmmmmmm is there any actual evidence of that at all? Fenrir is literally a HD class being. Just cause he wrecked Ejod doesn't put him anywhere near HD class. No body has restrained a full power Fenrir he was nerfed by the chain. Also Gog is a featless Golem that lost to Cao Cao in base lmao. Fenrir fangs only being effective on God's smells like head canon and if it did doesn't negate how physically strong Fenrir is being on par with hd classes in physical strength. Vali wasn't even bothered by what prime Strada did to him as he literally fights Crom afterwords in DxD L.

Balor Rias is "above Maou" class. As it's constantly been insisted that this doesn't mean God class (for some reason) that would put her on more or less the same tier as EJOD Vali or slightly below him. EJOD Vali, whose armor was completely destroyed in a single blow by Strada. Ergo, Strada is above BP Rias, who only lost to Fenrir because of stamina. 1 + 1 = 2. There you go.

[Parry999]

Originally Posted by XFire

Balor Rias is "above Maou" class. As it's constantly been insisted that this doesn't mean God class (for some reason) that would put her on more or less the same tier as EJOD Vali or slightly below him. EJOD Vali, whose armor was completely destroyed in a single blow by Strada. Ergo, Strada is above BP Rias, who only lost to Fenrir because of stamina. 1 + 1 = 2. There you go.

It was two blows from his holy sword plus his holy Fist. His armor was noted to be getting damaged the whole time. Plus Vali's a devil and exorcists use holy power. Devils are weak to holy power. That's like saying Apollon is hd class form Xenovia not being able to do shit to him but injure Strada. Balor Rias a fusion of Rias and Gaspar a highly talented devil before getting a Longinus fusing. There's no way to tell by that math which is superior between Ejod Vali and her. Hell from all the hype it got Rias might be able to one shot Ejod Vali.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Parry999

It was two blows from his holy sword plus his holy Fist. His armor was noted to be getting damaged the whole time. Plus Vali's a devil and exorcists use holy power. Devils are weak to holy power. That's like saying Apollon is hd class form Xenovia not being able to do shit to him but injure Strada. Balor Rias a fusion of Rias and Gaspar a highly talented devil before getting a Longinus fusing. There's no way to tell by that math which is superior between Ejod Vali and her. Hell from all the hype it got Rias might be able to one shot Ejod Vali.

The armor was blown off all at once, and it doesn't change the fact that he overpowered a stronger version of the guy who restrained Fenrir.

And if you're saying that Rias is God-class or higher then sure, you might have an argument.

[Parry999]

Originally Posted by XFire

The armor was blown off all at once, and it doesn't change the fact that he overpowered a stronger version of the guy who restrained Fenrir.

And if you're saying that Rias is God-class or higher then sure, you might have an argument.

Strada doesn't have the magic chain that nerfs his power to keep the whole of Vali team alive what are you talking about? You litterally are talking none sense unless you think volume 7 Vali team was comparable to Fenrir if so oh boy that's all kinds of obviously false. The armor was stated to be damaged after the first blow it wasn't all at once.

Bikou spat another fresh mouthful of blood out of his mouth as he stood up. Vali began to move again. He didn't seem to have been severely injured, and although his armour had taken damage, he could still fire off blasts of demonic energy from close range! His Eminence evaded all of the blasts with minimal movement.

Of course Balor Rias is God class devils aren't usually even called that. Fenrir with his strength alone would trash a majority of the none top 10 gods as Fenrir was one. Strada doesn't even have a holy light advantage over Fenrir like a devil.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Parry999

Strada doesn't have the magic chain that nerfs his power to keep the whole of Vali team alive what are you talking about? You litterally are talking none sense unless you think volume 7 Vali team was comparable to Fenrir if so oh boy that's all kinds of obviously false. The armor was stated to be damaged after the first blow it wasn't all at once.

The chain restrains Fenrir, it doesn't reduce his strength. And he literally tears it off at least once during the battle. Also Vali was in his mouth when they went through the portal.

No, it wasn't. The first says "he was hit" and the second one passed through the armor like Saji did to Issei. It's only the third hit where his armor is destroyed. And again its irrelevant because the point is that a stronger version of the form that held down Fenrir was casually overpowered.

Originally Posted by Parry999

Of course Balor Rias is God class devils aren't usually even called that. Fenrir with his strength alone would trash a majority of the none top 10 gods as Fenrir was one. Strada doesn't even have a holy light advantage over Fenrir like a devil.

And your basis for that is what, exactly? As far as I can tell the only reason Fenrir is even in the top ten is his fangs. He has a god killing weapon and super speed, but his physical strength isn't exactly impressive and has zero options outside of direct physical combat.

Strada has already shown both the strength and speed necessary to wrangle with him, and Fenrir isn't biting someone who can dodge a teleporting sword.

[Parry999]

Originally Posted by XFire

The chain restrains Fenrir, it doesn't reduce his strength. And he literally tears it off at least once during the battle. Also Vali was in his mouth when they went through the portal.

No, it wasn't. The first says "he was hit" and the second one passed through the armor like Saji did to Issei. It's only the third hit where his armor is destroyed. And again its irrelevant because the point is that a stronger version of the form that held down Fenrir was casually overpowered.



And your basis for that is what, exactly? As far as I can tell the only reason Fenrir is even in the top ten is his fangs. He has a god killing weapon and super speed, but his physical strength isn't exactly impressive and has zero options outside of direct physical combat.

Strada has already shown both the strength and speed necessary to wrangle with him, and Fenrir isn't biting someone who can dodge a teleporting sword.

Ignoring Stradas experience and Vali's litteral weakness to holy light. Using obvious inconsistencies an plot armor of volume 7 to nerf Fenrir.

Fenrir suddenly charged towards Gasper with a speed that rivalled lightning and tore Gasper's right arm off. Gasper immediately regenerated his arm, but Fenrir's swift movements knocked him to the ground. Moreover, Fenrir's claws and sharp teeth had a special characteristic that allowed it to devour gods. It was impossible to avoid a life-threatening injury upon being hit. As Fenrir charged towards Rias, Gasper directed his dark beasts to act as a shield. Although he had managed to block the attack, even a single injury was fatal. Fenrir paused, and then jumped up onto the roof of a particular building and began to howl.

Aoooooooooohh….

Its long howl echoed between the walls of the buildings. In an instant, the God-Devouring Wolf was enveloped in a grey aura, and its appearance also began to change—. After its aura dissipated, what appeared before Rias and the others was a giant ten-meter long wolf. Fenrir had actually liberated its power! Up until now, they had never seen this form in any of the matches! Could Vali and the others have returned it back to its original form…? Fenrir's change into this form was a signal that it would continue to fight. It had been completely liberated from Loki's curse, yet it still remained under the control of Vali and the others. No, this was Fenrir's own will. It treated Vali and the others as its comrades and chose to fight for them. It was bad for them to face Fenrir in this form. Vali had put this wolf into the position of [Queen], which meant that the wolf was capable of a matching level of strength. This was the legendary monster that even Vali at the time couldn't match up to—. Its sharp fangs and claws could destroy even a god. Vali had added it into his team for the purpose of defeating gods. But, this wolf wasn't the only one that could wield such destruction. Rias said to Gasper

Volume 24 alone disproves anyone in volume 7 was comparable to him plus the fact his comparable to Typhon who both are in HD range but sure Strada could "wrangle" magically because he beat Ejod a below god class form yeah no. Dodging a teleporting sword cool that's not quantifiable at all. Unless your going to try to say Strada has infinite speed for being faster then instant teleportaton that is irrelevant. You seem to be using your hate for Vali make you wank Strada to god tier levels and there's zero evidence in the story for it. His not wrestling with a HD tier opponent and winning.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Parry999

Ignoring Stradas experience and Vali's litteral weakness to holy light. Using obvious inconsistencies an plot armor of volume 7 to nerf Fenrir.

Are you under the impression that Strada's experience increases his physical raw power? And if you are why on earth would you believe it wouldn't apply to Fenrir as well as Vali?

Find me anything that suggest Vali was being negatively impacted specifically because of the holy aspect. Issei in Triana was able to straight up stop the True Longinus when it was emitting enough aura to vaporize a high class devil instantly. Unless Strada was letting out exponentially greater holy aura than that (hint, he wasn't letting out any at all) then it wasn't a factor in the fight.

Originally Posted by Parry999

Volume 24 alone disproves anyone in volume 7 was comparable to him plus the fact his comparable to Typhon who both are in HD range but sure Strada could "wrangle" magically because he beat Ejod a below god class form yeah no. Dodging a teleporting sword cool that's not quantifiable at all. Unless your going to try to say Strada has infinite speed for being faster then instant teleportaton that is irrelevant. You seem to be using your hate for Vali make you wank Strada to god tier levels and there's zero evidence in the story for it. His not wrestling with a HD tier opponent and winning.

Volume 24, where his only notable feats are getting his ass handed to him by Strada, tearing off a shadow arm of Gasper, and then stalling out BP Rias. Yeah, that was a magnificent showing for him alright.

He was dodging a sword slipping into his blind spot via space magic being wielded by someone with Godspeed. Do I need to explain to you the reaction time and speed necessary to dodge something coming at you where you can't see it in a way you can't sense? Fenrir would have to be more than 100 times faster than Arthur to actually hit Strada. Is that "quantified" enough for you?

You're accusing me of wanking while the best you can come up with to actually dispute my points is a series of bumbling, incoherent and contradictory "arguments" that directly contradict what actually happens in the story.

You want to write off half of Fenrir's feats and ignore what actually happens in the rest of them because it contradicts where you think he should be, you're straight up pretending volume 7 didn't happen or doesn't count, and then you actually had the gall to use "quantifiable" as an argument when you're entire premise is based on ignoring what actually happens in the story.

Don't accuse me of "wanking" when you can't even come up with an actual coherent argument against my points.

[Lex79]

Originally Posted by syzorst

Wow, you guys have been going at it. A quick question. Do you think Vali's team performed better against Rias team than Issei's team did? I've been in multiple discussions with people that thinks Vali's team performed better because he only lost a single member while Issei's team lost 5 members.

I think Issei's team performed better. They lost more members but apart from Rias' surprise attack that was factored into their strategy.

XFire, your analysis isn't completely invalid but I think it's too biased in favor of Rias. You have to keep in mind the followings:
Rias was severely drained and it was stated that accumulating even more stress/damage would have been detrimental to her future matches;
in her condition, all was needed to retire her wss a single stray bullet. At least one of Vali's team members is extremely good at causing long range destruction at very large scale;
Vali's fight with Crom wasn't going to end quickly.
So basically Rias simply did not have the luxury to sit down and watch Crom and Strada winning the match for her. Conceding a battle to have a better chance of winning the war wasn't too absurd as a decision.

[XFire]

Forget it, this isn't worth getting angry over. I'm done.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Parry999

It was two blows from his holy sword plus his holy Fist. His armor was noted to be getting damaged the whole time. Plus Vali's a devil and exorcists use holy power. Devils are weak to holy power. That's like saying Apollon is hd class form Xenovia not being able to do shit to him but injure Strada. Balor Rias a fusion of Rias and Gaspar a highly talented devil before getting a Longinus fusing. There's no way to tell by that math which is superior between Ejod Vali and her. Hell from all the hype it got Rias might be able to one shot Ejod Vali.

Balor Rias and EJOD Vali are roughly at the same level although I would say EJOD Vali would have the slight edge due to him being a better fighter and Balor Rias have stamina problems.

[Parry999]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Balor Rias and EJOD Vali are roughly at the same level although I would say EJOD Vali would have the slight edge due to him being a better fighter and Balor Rias have stamina problems.

Ejod Vali wouldn't survive an

Spoiler:

infinity Blaster+ boob canon combo or power of destruction that can damage Issei in pdxdg.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Lex79

I think Issei's team performed better. They lost more members but apart from Rias' surprise attack that was factored into their strategy.

XFire, your analysis isn't completely invalid but I think it's too biased in favor of Rias. You have to keep in mind the followings:
Rias was severely drained and it was stated that accumulating even more stress/damage would have been detrimental to her future matches;
in her condition, all was needed to retire her wss a single stray bullet. At least one of Vali's team members is extremely good at causing long range destruction at very large scale;
Vali's fight with Crom wasn't going to end quickly.
So basically Rias simply did not have the luxury to sit down and watch Crom and Strada winning the match for her. Conceding a battle to have a better chance of winning the war wasn't too absurd as a decision.

Well honestly he's just biased against Vali. That's all this is.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Well honestly he's just biased against Vali. That's all this is.

You out of everyone in this entire sub-forum have absolutely zero grounds to talk about "bias", "Lucidrago. You literally named yourself after Vali.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Parry999

Ejod Vali wouldn't survive an

Spoiler:

infinity Blaster+ boob canon combo or power of destruction that can damage Issei in pdxdg.

Her POD attacks can be weakened by "Divide" or distorted by "Half-Dimension". Can she survive "Compression Divider"?

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by XFire

You out of everyone in this entire sub-forum have absolutely zero grounds to talk about "bias", "Lucidrago. You literally named yourself after Vali.

(Vali and Crom Cruach fight until Rias forfeits the match)

Everyone: The match was basically even between the two."

You: "it was a one-sided match. Vali was no match at all against Crom Cruach."

Everyone: (Shows you evidence contradicting your claim.)

You: "THAT"S BS!"

It's pretty clear you have a clear bias against Vali. Most likely it's because you like the MC, Issei, very much. And thus your dislike is directed towards any character in the series that outshines or upstages Issei in any way. And that character is Vali in your eyes.

[TheWu8128]

Your not the person that should be saying that, your biased for Vali, you saying that doesn't mean much.

[Crimson_Emperor]

I'm always looking forward seeing all dxd topic to see @Xfire for issei @lucidrago for Vali and @Godz the critics of dxd debate
hahahae and sorry for my poor english

[TheWu8128]

At the end of the day Ryuuteimaru is better than both anyway