High School DxD Light Novel - DX.5 (Short Story Collection)

[Emperor of D.]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

The curse of the MC. It'll probably be a mistake to try to go anywhere with Sairaorg as well.

It's a curse being an unremarkably average looking MC.

What's worst is he got overshadowed by even Gasper.

[CCPDarkraiRules]

Spoiler for Maid of Pendragon:

New year’s have just passed
Issei waiting in front of Kuoh Academy hears Arthur’s voice. Arthur has asked Issei to show him around Kuoh Academy. They enter a classroom, where Issei expresses his surprise of him coming. Arthur says that since Le Fay will be enrolling here, he wanted to see the school first. Arthur is worried about her education because Le Fay never went to an ordinary school before. So they want her to enjoy daily school life.
Arthur slides his finger through the window frame and notices the dust. Issei smiles and apologizes for the dust. Arthur says that it’s a good school and that there are at least some people like Le Fay who hide their abilities from the normal students as well. Issei receives a text from Rias saying that visitors from the UK have come to visit. So bring Le Fay.
Back at Issei’s house, Le Fay greets Elaine who’s described as a black-haired woman in her early 20s as Issei describes her as having a dignified ladylike style. Elaine says that she wanted to visit earlier, but requesting permission takes time. Elaine introduces herself as Elaine Westcott to everyone and thanks them for taking care of Le Fay for her.

Kuroka tells Issei that she’s a descendant of one of the founding fathers of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and taught Le Fay how to use magic. She then tells Issei then Le Fay joined Golden Dawn because of her connections with Elaine. Elaine goes to Arthur and says that she’s happy that he hasn’t seem to change. They became quiet and Issei notes the awkward atmosphere, and wonders if its because of Arthur stealing Collbrande from his family and her being a maid for his family. Akeno, Rias, Irina, Roseweisse, and Ravel looks at both of them with a curious sight.

"So, Le Fay-san, where is the Sekiryuutei you signed a contract with?"
Elaine is constantly looking at us (Issei, Kiba, Gasper). It should be obvious that my contract with Le Fay has reached the Pendragon family. Though we never met, it should be obvious that the Sekiryuutei is a man.
As soon as I approached in front of her, she moved her eyes away from me and looked at Kiba?! I've been completely ignored for the 2 of them.
Le Fay stood by my side and introduced me to her.
"Ah, this is the Sekiryuutei Hyoudou Issei"
"Ah, hello. I'm the Sekiryuutei Hyoudou Issei"
I bow to Elaine.
However Elaine.
".........."
She gives a silent look at me then once again appears before Kiba and Gasper.
Both of them can't help but feel helpless and laugh.
"I'm not the Sekiryuutei"
"I'm not......"
Clearly denied.
"".....That one""
Elaine finally realizing, bows her head and apologizes.
"........Sorry for my rudeness. In my imagination, the Sekiryuutei has more personality, so sorry for my delay. Now I feel you do have a Dragon's aura from your body, but how do you say it? I'm.....very sorry."

Although I release the aura of a Dragon from my body, you can feel the power of multiple dragons, and from my appearance -- I looked like an ordinary dragon.
Despite not having any Dragon aura, Kiba exudes a strong atmosphere and Gasper despite his face, has a bottomless amount of aura. Because of that she felt they may be the Sekiryuutei.
Is that the case?! I don't know why, but my face isn't that of the Sekiryuutei?! Anyway, I was born as a ordinary person who became the Sekiryuutei!
Rias aware of my thoughts came over and hugged me.
"I understand, Issei! But....in about 10 years or so, you can grow a beard, it may increase your authority as the Sekiryuutei.

Issei also notes that with Ophis and Asia’s multiple dragon familiars living here, his house is pretty much a dragon’s den and even an expert magic user would think to trend here carefully. Elaine then explains the purpose of her being here.
Lord Pendragon has sent her to Japan to see Arthur and Le Fay’s current situation. Rias explains that both are important to UK and are also ways welcome here. Elaine and Le Fay thank Rias. Elaine then says she wants to meet with the Hakuryuukou, but notices that Arthur has disappeared.
So she decided to she Le Fay’s room, Elaine knows that Kuroka is also part of the Vali team, and that both her and Le Fay share a room in Issei’s house. They enter their room where they see its messy through the entire room except for one place. They believe the mess is all Kuroka’s and Le Fay keeps her side of the room clean. So Elaine has Kuroka clean her mess, which Kuroka has Issei help her clean her room. Issei says that the rooms full of magazines, she doesn’t throw anything away and doesn’t seem to wash her clothes.

Issei notices that he hasn’t found a single bra to which Kuroka tells him that she’s part of the “No-Bra Faction”. Issei thinks that “No-Bra” sounds wonderful and realizes that often the girls in the house don’t wear bras. Elaine tells Kuroka to clean and that since she’s Le Fay’s friend, she needs to set a better example and worries what if Le Fay starts acting like her. Koneko decides to help with the cleaning.
After they finish cleaning, Le Fay introduces Elaine to Fenrir. Everyone notes how powerful Fenrir is, and how the Vali team managed to capture and control him. Elaine stares at Fenrir then extends her hand and says “Hold out your hand”. Issei notes the bravely it takes to be in front of a legendary monster. Fenrir isn’t angry and his expression hasn’t changed, but looks at Le Fay with a face saying “What should I do?”. Le Fay just nods. So Fenrir reluctantly obeyed and extended his claw to which Elaine rubs his head. She says that Le Fay has trained him well, but Fenrir isn’t a good name, so how about “John”?
Kuroka starts laughing to the point tears are coming out and calling Fenrir “John”. So Fenrir bites her. Issei intervenes saying that they have a guest here. He gets covered by Kuroka scratch marks on his face and Fenrir bite marks on his hand. So Elaine has yet to meet Vali and Bikou, so Le Fay tries to contact Vali, but is said that the odds of Vali answering is 1/10. Issei wonders if he’s training with the First Gen Sun Wukong.

Azazel once told Issei that Vali and Bikou often go to Tokyo to eat ramen, where Issei remembers a time where Vali gave Issei a lecture on how the right soy sauce and seasoning makes the perfect ramen. Azazel then told Issei that if he wants, he can ask Vali for ramen recipes.
While thinking about Vali, Elaine takes out a measure tape and starts recording Le Fay’s measurements. They also learn that when Arthur left their house, Le Fay worried about him followed him and occasionally reports back what he’s doing back to their father. Vali then suddenly appears and he and Elaine greet each other.
She asked if he’s the Hakuryuukou and which he notes that Elaine’s releases a good aura. She then says that it was said that Vali has abducted Arthur and Le Fay. Le Fay asked about Arthur, to which Vali says that he was acting strange, and that he, Bikou, and Arthur went to visit with the Slashdog team. Elaine meets Bikou and says he has a “dirty look”, to which Kuroka laughs at with Fenrir nodding in agreement. Elaine is happy as she thought the Vali team would be a bad influence on Le Fay. Issei notes how before Bikou and Fenrir were evil to them, but now they casually meet with each other. He wonders if this is because of Azazel or Oppai Dragon. Vali decides to go get ramen, which Issei asked if he could join him. Vali points out that their are rivals, so how about cup ramen instead.

A few days later, Arthur and Le Fay are in Issei’s living room where Le Fay receives her school uniform. Issei asked Le Fay about Arthur and Elaine, where Le Fay reveals that they’re in love. But because of Arthur’s position, many people are after him, but he’s only in love with Elaine. Also if Lord Pendragon finds out, she’d be kicked out of their service, which is why Arthur left the house.
Before Elaine leaves, she asked Issei if he thinks he’s qualified to be Le Fay’s contracted devil. He says that he’ll work hard, so Elaine tells him that he’s a good person and that if he removes her roommate, she’d give him a pass. Issei says he’ll do his best. They shake hands and she leaves.

Done by Riku on Discord.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by CCPDarkraiRules

Spoiler for Maid of Pendragon:

New year’s have just passed
Issei waiting in front of Kuoh Academy hears Arthur’s voice. Arthur has asked Issei to show him around Kuoh Academy. They enter a classroom, where Issei expresses his surprise of him coming. Arthur says that since Le Fay will be enrolling here, he wanted to see the school first. Arthur is worried about her education because Le Fay never went to an ordinary school before. So they want her to enjoy daily school life.
Arthur slides his finger through the window frame and notices the dust. Issei smiles and apologizes for the dust. Arthur says that it’s a good school and that there are at least some people like Le Fay who hide their abilities from the normal students as well. Issei receives a text from Rias saying that visitors from the UK have come to visit. So bring Le Fay.
Back at Issei’s house, Le Fay greets Elaine who’s described as a black-haired woman in her early 20s as Issei describes her as having a dignified ladylike style. Elaine says that she wanted to visit earlier, but requesting permission takes time. Elaine introduces herself as Elaine Westcott to everyone and thanks them for taking care of Le Fay for her.

Kuroka tells Issei that she’s a descendant of one of the founding fathers of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and taught Le Fay how to use magic. She then tells Issei then Le Fay joined Golden Dawn because of her connections with Elaine. Elaine goes to Arthur and says that she’s happy that he hasn’t seem to change. They became quiet and Issei notes the awkward atmosphere, and wonders if its because of Arthur stealing Collbrande from his family and her being a maid for his family. Akeno, Rias, Irina, Roseweisse, and Ravel looks at both of them with a curious sight.

"So, Le Fay-san, where is the Sekiryuutei you signed a contract with?"
Elaine is constantly looking at us (Issei, Kiba, Gasper). It should be obvious that my contract with Le Fay has reached the Pendragon family. Though we never met, it should be obvious that the Sekiryuutei is a man.
As soon as I approached in front of her, she moved her eyes away from me and looked at Kiba?! I've been completely ignored for the 2 of them.
Le Fay stood by my side and introduced me to her.
"Ah, this is the Sekiryuutei Hyoudou Issei"
"Ah, hello. I'm the Sekiryuutei Hyoudou Issei"
I bow to Elaine.
However Elaine.
".........."
She gives a silent look at me then once again appears before Kiba and Gasper.
Both of them can't help but feel helpless and laugh.
"I'm not the Sekiryuutei"
"I'm not......"
Clearly denied.
"".....That one""
Elaine finally realizing, bows her head and apologizes.
"........Sorry for my rudeness. In my imagination, the Sekiryuutei has more personality, so sorry for my delay. Now I feel you do have a Dragon's aura from your body, but how do you say it? I'm.....very sorry."

Although I release the aura of a Dragon from my body, you can feel the power of multiple dragons, and from my appearance -- I looked like an ordinary dragon.
Despite not having any Dragon aura, Kiba exudes a strong atmosphere and Gasper despite his face, has a bottomless amount of aura. Because of that she felt they may be the Sekiryuutei.
Is that the case?! I don't know why, but my face isn't that of the Sekiryuutei?! Anyway, I was born as a ordinary person who became the Sekiryuutei!
Rias aware of my thoughts came over and hugged me.
"I understand, Issei! But....in about 10 years or so, you can grow a beard, it may increase your authority as the Sekiryuutei.

Issei also notes that with Ophis and Asia’s multiple dragon familiars living here, his house is pretty much a dragon’s den and even an expert magic user would think to trend here carefully. Elaine then explains the purpose of her being here.
Lord Pendragon has sent her to Japan to see Arthur and Le Fay’s current situation. Rias explains that both are important to UK and are also ways welcome here. Elaine and Le Fay thank Rias. Elaine then says she wants to meet with the Hakuryuukou, but notices that Arthur has disappeared.
So she decided to she Le Fay’s room, Elaine knows that Kuroka is also part of the Vali team, and that both her and Le Fay share a room in Issei’s house. They enter their room where they see its messy through the entire room except for one place. They believe the mess is all Kuroka’s and Le Fay keeps her side of the room clean. So Elaine has Kuroka clean her mess, which Kuroka has Issei help her clean her room. Issei says that the rooms full of magazines, she doesn’t throw anything away and doesn’t seem to wash her clothes.

Issei notices that he hasn’t found a single bra to which Kuroka tells him that she’s part of the “No-Bra Faction”. Issei thinks that “No-Bra” sounds wonderful and realizes that often the girls in the house don’t wear bras. Elaine tells Kuroka to clean and that since she’s Le Fay’s friend, she needs to set a better example and worries what if Le Fay starts acting like her. Koneko decides to help with the cleaning.
After they finish cleaning, Le Fay introduces Elaine to Fenrir. Everyone notes how powerful Fenrir is, and how the Vali team managed to capture and control him. Elaine stares at Fenrir then extends her hand and says “Hold out your hand”. Issei notes the bravely it takes to be in front of a legendary monster. Fenrir isn’t angry and his expression hasn’t changed, but looks at Le Fay with a face saying “What should I do?”. Le Fay just nods. So Fenrir reluctantly obeyed and extended his claw to which Elaine rubs his head. She says that Le Fay has trained him well, but Fenrir isn’t a good name, so how about “John”?
Kuroka starts laughing to the point tears are coming out and calling Fenrir “John”. So Fenrir bites her. Issei intervenes saying that they have a guest here. He gets covered by Kuroka scratch marks on his face and Fenrir bite marks on his hand. So Elaine has yet to meet Vali and Bikou, so Le Fay tries to contact Vali, but is said that the odds of Vali answering is 1/10. Issei wonders if he’s training with the First Gen Sun Wukong.

Azazel once told Issei that Vali and Bikou often go to Tokyo to eat ramen, where Issei remembers a time where Vali gave Issei a lecture on how the right soy sauce and seasoning makes the perfect ramen. Azazel then told Issei that if he wants, he can ask Vali for ramen recipes.
While thinking about Vali, Elaine takes out a measure tape and starts recording Le Fay’s measurements. They also learn that when Arthur left their house, Le Fay worried about him followed him and occasionally reports back what he’s doing back to their father. Vali then suddenly appears and he and Elaine greet each other.
She asked if he’s the Hakuryuukou and which he notes that Elaine’s releases a good aura. She then says that it was said that Vali has abducted Arthur and Le Fay. Le Fay asked about Arthur, to which Vali says that he was acting strange, and that he, Bikou, and Arthur went to visit with the Slashdog team. Elaine meets Bikou and says he has a “dirty look”, to which Kuroka laughs at with Fenrir nodding in agreement. Elaine is happy as she thought the Vali team would be a bad influence on Le Fay. Issei notes how before Bikou and Fenrir were evil to them, but now they casually meet with each other. He wonders if this is because of Azazel or Oppai Dragon. Vali decides to go get ramen, which Issei asked if he could join him. Vali points out that their enemies, so how about cup ramen instead.

A few days later, Arthur and Le Fay are in Issei’s living room where Le Fay receives her school uniform. Issei asked Le Fay about Arthur and Elaine, where Le Fay reveals that they’re in love. But because of Arthur’s position, many people are after him, but he’s only in love with Elaine. Also if Lord Pendragon finds out, she’d be kicked out of their service, which is why Arthur left the house.
Before Elaine leaves, she asked Issei if he thinks he’s qualified to be Le Fay’s contracted devil. He says that he’ll work hard, so Elaine tells him that he’s a good person and that if he removes her roommate, she’d give him a pass. Issei says he’ll do his best. They shake hands and she leaves.

Done by Riku on Discord.

English people. Always got to name everyone and everything 'John.'

So Kuroka wears no bras or panties. Well we kind of knew that though because of what she wears.

[Vasy]

From what I have seen most of the MCs are attractive. Issei is no exception, he was characterized as a nice boy with masculine features being considered more attractive by mature women. Despite his perverse personality, he has a charisma that draws people to him.
And if we talk about looks, Kiba looks more like a butler than a warrior, and Gasper looks like a little girl. : p
After all, all the characters in the series look like ordinary people, except for Vasco. : Heh:
None of these have non-human characteristics.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Vasy

From what I have seen most of the MCs are attractive. Issei is no exception, he was characterized as a nice boy with masculine features being considered more attractive by mature women. Despite his perverse personality, he has a charisma that draws people to him.
And if we talk about looks, Kiba looks more like a butler than a warrior, and Gasper looks like a little girl. : p
After all, all the characters in the series look like ordinary people, except for Vasco. : Heh:
None of these have non-human characteristics.

Well Issei is very average-looking compared to Kiba who is considered very handsome and Gasper is considered cute. But their strength and their auras would cause you to think that one of them could be the Red Dragon Emperor if you had never met him or watched the Oppai Dragon show.

Just saying that Issei doesn't really have any noteworthy looks like most male protagonists in anime/manga/light novels/visual novels.

[Jedsada]

Being good looking isn't equal being badass. Like Tatsuya from Mahouka, that guy has a very mundane looking but is still an absolute badass.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Jedsada

Being good looking isn't equal being badass. Like Tatsuya from Mahouka, that guy has a very mundane looking but is still an absolute badass.

Never said that. But It's not an overexaggeratoon to say the same about Kiba and Gasper. Even if you felt Issei had a dragon's aura, you would still be looking at those two just because of their auras and would think they might be the Red Dragon Emperor by just looking at their faces.

Think more like Alphonse Elric being mistaken for the Fullmetal Alchemist with Edward right there. Some people will pick the person with the more distinctive look if they haven't met the actual person before or doesn't know what they look like. A handsome person will have a more distinctive look than someone who is average-looking.

[Vasy]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Never said that. But It's not an overexaggeratoon to say the same about Kiba and Gasper. Even if you felt Issei had a dragon's aura, you would still be looking at those two just because of their auras and would think they might be the Red Dragon Emperor by just looking at their faces.

Think more like Alphonse Elric being mistaken for the Fullmetal Alchemist with Edward right there. Some people will pick the person with the more distinctive look if they haven't met the actual person before or doesn't know what they look like. A handsome person will have a more distinctive look than someone who is average-looking.

Just by looking at Gasper, you can't take him seriously. )) Saying nice don't say POWERFUL. From the looks it offers the appearance of a malnourished child.
Nimura, at the moment when Gasper asked if he could be useful, he made a face Poor Gasper was demoralized )
Can you tell how strong a person is in appearance? )
As I said, all the characters look like people, without inhuman characteristics, Gasper and Kiba still have human parts being hybrids, but Issei is no longer human (god dragon / hybrid devil).
Issei in its basic form emits huge quantities of dragonic aura. When you come in contact with someone with great power, you can only realize it by the presence that emanates it.
The only reason Kiba and Gasper were taken into consideration was because their auras came out different. (Issei's house is full of dragons, so the quantities of huge dragonic aura that comes from several people make it impossible to notice .)
Kiba and Naikiri look alike.
Issei has been characterized as being cute throughout the novel, mature women feel attracted to him. When was Issei supposed to be average-looking? Of the two, Issei has a masculine, attractive appearance. What would you like to have? A body full of muscles?
Rias said that Issei became a playboy.

[Vasy]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Never said that. But It's not an overexaggeratoon to say the same about Kiba and Gasper. Even if you felt Issei had a dragon's aura, you would still be looking at those two just because of their auras and would think they might be the Red Dragon Emperor by just looking at their faces.

Think more like Alphonse Elric being mistaken for the Fullmetal Alchemist with Edward right there. Some people will pick the person with the more distinctive look if they haven't met the actual person before or doesn't know what they look like. A handsome person will have a more distinctive look than someone who is average-looking.

and soon it will have two forms: the humanoid and the one of a giant dragon of 100m. Also known as the red monster.
And someone with an average look would not be so successful in women.
The aspect, from the point of view of power, has no connection. Shiva, Ophis, Lilith look like children, but they are the top 3 most powerful beings.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Vasy

Just by looking at Gasper, you can't take him seriously. )) Saying nice don't say POWERFUL. From the looks it offers the appearance of a malnourished child.
Nimura, at the moment when Gasper asked if he could be useful, he made a face Poor Gasper was demoralized )
Can you tell how strong a person is in appearance? )
As I said, all the characters look like people, without inhuman characteristics, Gasper and Kiba still have human parts being hybrids, but Issei is no longer human (god dragon / hybrid devil).
Issei in its basic form emits huge quantities of dragonic aura. When you come in contact with someone with great power, you can only realize it by the presence that emanates it.
The only reason Kiba and Gasper were taken into consideration was because their auras came out different. (Issei's house is full of dragons, so the quantities of huge dragonic aura that comes from several people make it impossible to notice .)
Kiba and Naikiri
Issei has been characterized as being cute throughout the novel, mature women feel attracted to him. When was Issei supposed to be average-looking? Of the two, Issei has a masculine, attractive appearance. What would you like to have? A body full of muscles?
Rias said that Issei became a playboy.

By your logic, Kiba and Gasper are no longer human as well. And Gasper was originally only half-human. Just call Issei a human-based devil with a draconic appearance.

What I'm saying is that Issei is generally considered average-loojung by most of the females that see him while Kiba is generally considered handsome by the majority of females(Oppai Dragon Show has a female fan base because of him). And Casper doesn't have an impressive appearance but as Elaine said he has a bottomless aura. Based on Gasper's aura and Kiba's looks and aura, it's not really unusual that a person would probably take one of those two for the Red Dragon Emperor if you didn't know what Issei looked like.

It's just that most people when imagining the Red Dragon Emperor would picture someone that looks more impressive.

Again I never said that your physical appearance had anything to do with how powerful you are. Just saying that if someone like Issei was next to two other people with auras as impressive as his, it wouldn't be unexpected for someone to mistake the others for him.

Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder but there are some men and women that are generally seen as beautiful or handsome by the majority of people. Like you see with Rias, Akeno, and Kiba in DxD. But average-looking guys can easily attract women if they have the right qualities. Guys do It in real life all the time. Issei might not be having every female that looks at him saying he's handsome like Kiba but having an average appearance won't stop him from attracting females.

[Emperor of D.]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

By your logic, Kiba and Gasper are no longer human as well. And Gasper was originally only half-human. Just call Issei a human-based devil with a draconic appearance.

What I'm saying is that Issei is generally considered average-loojung by most of the females that see him while Kiba is generally considered handsome by the majority of females(Oppai Dragon Show has a female fan base because of him). And Casper doesn't have an impressive appearance but as Elaine said he has a bottomless aura. Based on Gasper's aura and Kiba's looks and aura, it's not really unusual that a person would probably take one of those two for the Red Dragon Emperor if you didn't know what Issei looked like.

It's just that most people when imagining the Red Dragon Emperor would picture someone that looks more impressive.

Again I never said that your physical appearance had anything to do with how powerful you are. Just saying that if someone like Issei was next to two other people with auras as impressive as his, it wouldn't be unexpected for someone to mistake the others for him.

Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder but there are some men and women that are generally seen as beautiful or handsome by the majority of people. Like you see with Rias, Akeno, and Kiba in DxD. But average-looking guys can easily attract women if they have the right qualities. Guys do It in real life all the time. Issei might not be having every female that looks at him saying he's handsome like Kiba but having an average appearance won't stop him from attracting females.

Considering Issei's body, you would think his aura would be impressive like Gasper's since they both have bottomless potential.

[XFire]

Issei being underestimated at first glance is kind of a running gag in the series at tdd his point, and considering that it always ends with him showing up the supposedly "more impressive" person I'd say he comes out of it alright.

[syzorst]

Originally Posted by XFire

Issei being underestimated at first glance is kind of a running gag in the series at tdd his point, and considering that it always ends with him showing up the supposedly "more impressive" person I'd say he comes out of it alright.

That's fine in the beginning and mid part of the series but at this point, you would think people would stop underestimating him.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by syzorst

That's fine in the beginning and mid part of the series but at this point, you would think people would stop underestimating him.

I actually think it makes more sense later on in the series. At the beginning all they hear is "Red Dragon Emperor" and that's a pretty well-established in universe power level (generally between High and Ultimate iirc), so considering what everyone can do with Balance Breaker its a bit odd no one thinks a dude carrying a Longinus can match that standard. Not like his base power level would make a difference.

Later on though, Issei's rep is of a guy who eats gods and Maou's for breakfast, saved the Underworld twice, beat the Grandson of the original Lucifer in open combat, and wields the power of two Dragon Gods. You'd walk into that expecting someone like Sirzechs.

[godz]

Issei suffers the same problem from many Shonen protagonists, being underestimated around him even with all his achievements ... examples Asta in black clover is still treated as the commoner without magic, natsu with his important victories is still not class s of fairy tail or deku with his insecurity, being that he beat a villain who killed professionals, professionals !!!

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by XFire

I actually think it makes more sense later on in the series. At the beginning all they hear is "Red Dragon Emperor" and that's a pretty well-established in universe power level (generally between High and Ultimate iirc), so considering what everyone can do with Balance Breaker its a bit odd no one thinks a dude carrying a Longinus can match that standard. Not like his base power level would make a difference.

Later on though, Issei's rep is of a guy who eats gods and Maou's for breakfast, saved the Underworld twice, beat the Grandson of the original Lucifer in open combat, and wields the power of two Dragon Gods. You'd walk into that expecting someone like Sirzechs.

What are you talking about? I really don't notice anyone underestimating Issei at the moment or in any recent volumes. The last one that did that was Rizevim and that was because of his Sacred Gear Canceller. And the ones that did it in the very beginning of the series were in my opinion overestimating themselves more than they were underestimating Issei.

When you have gods like Erebus and Nyx making countermeasures against you then It's hard to say they're really underestimating you.

If anyone underestimates Issei, it's mostly himself.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

What are you talking about? I really don't notice anyone underestimating Issei at the moment or in any recent volumes. The last one that did that was Rizevim and that was because of his Sacred Gear Canceller. And the ones that did it in the very beginning of the series were in my opinion overestimating themselves more than they were underestimating Issei.

When you have gods like Erebus and Nyx making countermeasures against you then It's hard to say they're really underestimating you.

If anyone underestimates Issei, it's mostly himself.

The girl who's the basis of the discussion?

The two dumbass Maou-class artificial devils who thought they were hot shit and tried to jump him and his friends?

The gods of the dead who know he straight up murdered a Heavenly Dragon class and beat the shit out of a chief god and still decided to threaten his parents?

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by XFire

The girl who's the basis of the discussion?

The two dumbass Maou-class artificial devils who thought they were hot shit and tried to jump him and his friends?

The gods of the dead who know he straight up murdered a Heavenly Dragon class and beat the shit out of a chief god and still decided to threaten his parents?

Is that underestimating Issei or just the fact that a shounen series needs a villain?

Just because an enemy has their fangs turned against Issei or his allies doesn't mean they underestimate him.

But your definition of 'underestimate' probably means that they're deciding to do evil things and confront Issei despite knowing of his power and his reputation.

My definition is that they wouldn't think anything of Issei and think they could easily defeat him and wouldn't do anything like create countermeasures against him.

I just see at the moment the enemies are rather overestimating their own ability more than anything else.

But let's just agree to disagree.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Is that underestimating Issei or just the fact that a shounen series needs a villain?

Just because an enemy has their fangs turned against Issei or his allies doesn't mean they underestimate him.

What?

Since when is underestimating someone a prerequisite for being a villain? Cao Cao as an antagonist is basically the antithesis of that, Loki brought a cannon to a gun fight with Fenrir, etc.

And a couple of Maou-class deliberately picking a fight with someone who publicly beat the shit out of a roided out Chief God is underestimating him.

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

But your definition of 'underestimate' probably means that they're deciding to do evil things and confront Issei despite knowing of his power and his reputation.

My definition is that they wouldn't think anything of Issei and think they could easily defeat him and wouldn't do anything like create countermeasures against him.

Don't put words in my mouth, kid. Especially not to try and rearrange things to fit your poorly thought out narrative.

Even more so when they actually fit "your" definition in the first place. They walked straight up to him with zero special measures and picked a fight with a Transcendant while explicitly stating they are Maou-class.

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

I just see at the moment the enemies are rather overestimating their own ability more than anything else.

But let's just agree to disagree.

Bruh.

I made a statement, you tried to reject it, I gave evidence, and then you tried to redefine the discussion so the evidence doesn't fit (in a way that didn't actually work btw)

It's not really a disagree/agree thing.

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Plus issei has the power of the dragon he was bound to attract women especially since he upfront and has power which attract women so.... he have that going for him. I mean even if he's muscular that face is still average tier so sometimes he will be mistaken. Vasy even if older women find you cute sometimes it's like looking at u like a lil brother... in issei case the (FEW) older women who find him attractive they are a cougar looking for a man younger than him or lonely