Shin High School Volume 1 Discussion

[bluestahli1]

Kill Riser for his harem? Why kill him when HE himself can be added to Ise's male harem?! get Riser get his harem for free!

[Emperor of D.]

I wonder if Ddraig will be restricted in the Rias vs Issei because to be honest having Ddraig makes the game a little unfair.

[Royalknightftw]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

I wonder if Ddraig will be restricted in the Rias vs Issei because to be honest having Ddraig makes the game a little unfair.

Well, Ddraig only has a few minutes to appear and i believe Crom could manage to hold him off, other teams would get curbstomped though

[Lucidrago]

Well when you got the 'King of Monsters' and two chief gods on one team and a team consisting of Sakra and the 4 Heavenly Kings, it really doesn't look all that special.

Rias' team is one of the 16 teams that made it to the finals. All 16 teams are hacked as hell and most of their teams are unfair. Having a Longinus is unfair. Having the strongest Evil Dragon is unfair. Having Rudiger Rosenkreutz as your advisor is unfair. Being the Champion of the Rating Games is unfair. Being the Hakuryuukou, having Fenrir and the current generation Journey to the West on your team is unfair. You get what I'm saying. That this tournament is totally unbalanced and unfair is the new normal.

[Emperor of D.]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Well when you got the 'King of Monsters' and two chief gods on one team and a team consisting of Sakra and the 4 Heavenly Kings, it really doesn't look all that special.

Rias' team is one of the 16 teams that made it to the finals. All 16 teams are hacked as hell and most of their teams are unfair. Having a Longinus is unfair. Having the strongest Evil Dragon is unfair. Having Rudiger Rosenkreutz as your advisor is unfair. Being the Champion of the Rating Games is unfair. Being the Hakuryuukou, having Fenrir and the current generation Journey to the West on your team is unfair. You get what I'm saying. That this tournament is totally unbalanced and unfair is the new normal.

You're missing the point. The difference is those people you named are registered members. If Ddraig was a registered member then how many people on Issei's team wouldn't be in the tournament? Ddraig would take up either 8 pawn pieces, 2 rooks, or 2 bishops or a queen. Not only that but Ddraig is not even a contracted summoned like Fafnir because even contracted summons have restrictions. In Ddraig's case he's basically just an extra that completely changes the balance of power.

[Palmito]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

You're missing the point. The difference is those people you named are registered members. If Ddraig was a registered member then how many people on Issei's team wouldn't be in the tournament? Ddraig would take up either 8 pawn pieces, 2 rooks, or 2 bishops or a queen. Not only that but Ddraig is not even a contracted summoned like Fafnir because even contracted summons have restrictions. In Ddraig's case he's basically just an extra that completely changes the balance of power.

For a few minutes Issei and Ddraig become Tobio and Jin. I do not see a problem with that. And if Ddraig is defeated it is as if Issei is defeated and the game will end. And you want to talk about what's fair? Rias was allowed to register in her team a user of longinus who has the BxB with only one piece of knight. How fair is that?

[Lucidrago]

Tobio can also gang up on a god with his hellhounds of death when he uses his Abyss-side Balance Breaker.

[Emperor of D.]

Originally Posted by Palmito

For a few minutes Issei and Ddraig become Tobio and Jin. I do not see a problem with that. And if Ddraig is defeated it is as if Issei is defeated and the game will end. And you want to talk about what's fair? Rias was allowed to register in her team a user of longinus who has the BxB with only one piece of knight. How fair is that?

Yes I know but I was just making the point about Ddraig not having restrictions because if it was just an ordinary fighter than that's one thing but Ddraig is a heavenly dragon and there is only a small number of people that could fight him. Even with that small time limit he was able to retire a top 10 class god.

Regarding Rias having Lint, that's not really an issue because the tournament judges people on their level of power. Lint may have a Longinus but her battle power is not even at Maou class. Valerie has a Longinus and she needs protection or be hidden away because she's a non combatant. Lint and Valerie by far pales in comparison to the rest of the Longinus possessors who are Maou and God-class. Not even Gasper by himself has reach Maou-class.

[fan]

Gasper is a mutation bishop piece and the tournament lowers original value and gives gods higher value. Remember Kuroka is worth 2 bishop pieces

[Palmito]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

Yes I know but I was just making the point about Ddraig not having restrictions because if it was just an ordinary fighter than that's one thing but Ddraig is a heavenly dragon and there is only a small number of people that could fight him. Even with that small time limit he was able to retire a top 10 class god.

Regarding Rias having Lint, that's not really an issue because the tournament judges people on their level of power. Lint may have a Longinus but her battle power is not even at Maou class. Valerie has a Longinus and she needs protection or be hidden away because she's a non combatant. Lint and Valerie by far pales in comparison to the rest of the Longinus possessors who are Maou and God-class. Not even Gasper by himself has reach Maou-class.

1 - He has a restriction. If he is defeated Issei's team loses. And Crom will be able to deal with it.

2- But only 3 pawns (1 knight)? She is very weak then, because Bova is worth 3 pawns too and he is not strong.

[Emperor of D.]

Originally Posted by Palmito

1 - He has a restriction. If he is defeated Issei's team loses. And Crom will be able to deal with it.

2- But only 3 pawns (1 knight)? She is very weak then, because Bova is worth 3 pawns too and he is not strong.

1.) Are you saying Crom can retire Ddraig in just minutes when he couldn't even finish his fight against Vali?

2.) Bova is strong in his own right. I would say he's probably as strong as the youths (excluding the strong Longinus possesors)

[Palmito]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

1.) Are you saying Crom can retire Ddraig in just minutes when he couldn't even finish his fight against Vali?

2.) Bova is strong in his own right. I would say he's probably as strong as the youths (excluding the strong Longinus possesors)

1- He will not defeat, but if Ddraig does not use the flames, Crom would be able to hold him long enough until Ddraig disappears.

2- He is on the level of a high-class devil. Compared to the main warriors of each of the 16 teams (Kiba, Arthur, Xenovia, Strada, Rose, etc.) then yes he is weak.

[DragonOsman]

Ddraig can beat most beings in the world. If he can double his power enough times and his body can handle the power, his power level could even reach Dragon God-class--the only reason he couldn't beat Great Red, prime Ophis and Trihexa is because his hax can't counter theirs. That's probably also why Blazing Inferno of Scorching Flames for him and Reduce for Albion would work on anyone except themselves and those three. And I think they can beat anyone that those moves would work on because they trained and found other abilities because their finishing moves also work on themselves, prime Ophis and Great Red but that they would work on anyone else (it's their guess, but it's likely to be true). They trained to reach newer heights so that they could get stronger and find other abilities besides their respective finishing moves. Now they're even stronger than before. Crom surpassed them, but only in base stats since he reached Heavenly Dragon-class be relying on only the basic abilities of a dragon and doesn't have any special abilities like Ddraig and Albion do. This means Ddraig and Albion can defeat him by using their special abilities.

And Emperor of D, I think you need to keep in mind that Ddraig's summon is conditional: he'll only come out when the countdown reaches 80 for Pseudo DxD G, and Ise may not even have control over that (it'd be nice if he does turn out to, though). And even after that, it seems like he can only stay for 7 minutes or so. And yes, like Palmito said, he's considered to be "Ise", so if he's beaten, Ise loses too and that means the whole team loses since Ise is the King. But the catch is that most people can't beat him. Retiring Ddraig would be hard if not impossible. Crom can hold him back for a while, though.

Edit: Two posts late.

[Parry999]

Originally Posted by bluestahli1

Kill Riser for his harem? Why kill him when HE himself can be added to Ise's male harem?! get Riser get his harem for free!

Wait he isn't apart of it? There pretty close compared to his other rivals.

[syzorst]

Originally Posted by Palmito

1- He will not defeat, but if Ddraig does not use the flames, Crom would be able to hold him long enough until Ddraig disappears.

2- He is on the level of a high-class devil. Compared to the main warriors of each of the 16 teams (Kiba, Arthur, Xenovia, Strada, Rose, etc.) then yes he is weak.

You say Bova is weak but is he weaker than Rias, Akeno, Sona, Irina, Ravel, etc... The people you named are ridiculous. Strada is stronger than all the characters you named. Xenovia is nearly impossible to get rid of because of Avalon, Kiba and Arthur are top notch swordsman and Rose had her magic boosted with the staff

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

Yes I know but I was just making the point about Ddraig not having restrictions because if it was just an ordinary fighter than that's one thing but Ddraig is a heavenly dragon and there is only a small number of people that could fight him. Even with that small time limit he was able to retire a top 10 class god.

Regarding Rias having Lint, that's not really an issue because the tournament judges people on their level of power. Lint may have a Longinus but her battle power is not even at Maou class. Valerie has a Longinus and she needs protection or be hidden away because she's a non combatant. Lint and Valerie by far pales in comparison to the rest of the Longinus possessors who are Maou and God-class. Not even Gasper by himself has reach Maou-class.

Any Longinus possessor that has achieved Balance Breaker can be considered god-class. We got Asia's Balance Breaker negating the attacks of god-class beings, what do you think the Balance Breaker of a Longinus could do?

And again anyone who is not god-class is worth one bishop, knight, or rook piece. No more, no less. They have nothing to do with the value of a pawn with judges EVERYONE based on their individual strength.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Any Longinus possessor that has achieved Balance Breaker can be considered god-class. We got Asia's Balance Breaker negating the attacks of god-class beings, what do you think the Balance Breaker of a Longinus could do?

And again anyone who is not god-class is worth one bishop, knight, or rook piece. No more, no less. They have nothing to do with the value of a pawn with judges EVERYONE based on their individual strength.

Gasper and Lint has unlocked Balance Breaker and they haven't reach God-class and I don't see Valerie reaching god-class once she unlocks Balance Breaker.

[Palmito]

Originally Posted by syzorst

You say Bova is weak but is he weaker than Rias, Akeno, Sona, Irina, Ravel, etc... The people you named are ridiculous. Strada is stronger than all the characters you named. Xenovia is nearly impossible to get rid of because of Avalon, Kiba and Arthur are top notch swordsman and Rose had her magic boosted with the staff

And? I said that he is weaker than most warriors after all he is a warrior. He is not a support type like Asia and Valerie. He is not someone like Ravel, Sona and Rias who is in the back line giving orders. Akeno is definitely stronger than Bova. Irina is probably on the same level as him, but I also find her weak.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Gasper and Lint has unlocked Balance Breaker and they haven't reach God-class and I don't see Valerie reaching god-class once she unlocks Balance Breaker.

If it can work on a god then it's god-class? Gasper's timestop was working on Fenrir(albeit for a few seconds).

Here's another case. When they were fighting against Fenrir in Volume 7, Vali appeared and used Half Dimension on Fenrir and it worked(albeit for a few seconds)

There's a reason they're classified as Longinus. And why do you think only 5 god teams(at least 3 god-class beings) got into the Final 16, but 9 teams with Longinus got into the Top 16 spots?

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

If it can work on a god then it's god-class? Gasper's timestop was working on Fenrir(albeit for a few seconds).

Here's another case. When they were fighting against Fenrir in Volume 7, Vali appeared and used Half Dimension on Fenrir and it worked(albeit for a few seconds)

There's a reason they're classified as Longinus. And why do you think only 5 god teams(at least 3 god-class beings) got into the Final 16, but 9 teams with Longinus got into the Top 16 spots?

But Lint, Valerie, and Gasper still haven't reached God-class. Gasper time stop working on Fenrir don't automatically put him at god-class. By your logic EJOD Vali is Heavenly Dragon Class because his Compression Divider cancelled out Azi Dahaka's attack.

The reason why is because the God teams drop out on their own. Remember that most dropped out when Indra competed and more dropped out during the tournament.