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Kanon · 2021-02-20, 19:36

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Originally Posted by DragonOsman

We don't know yet if they can or not.

It could be that the ones with two balls are more powerful (if they can). Or like I said, it could be retconned (I hope that doesn't happen).

The Dragon made a point to state it would grant any wish within its power, and its power is the power of Monaito. Monaito couldn't even stop the saiyans, so he's small fry. The Dragon will just tell Granolah how to become the strongest, just like Shenron told Goku how to become SSG.

GDB · 2021-02-20, 20:04

To be fair, Kami wouldn't have been able to stop the Saiyans either. Neither could Guru (though Nail could have). I don't think that's necessarily indicative of the dragon's power.

Galaxian · 2021-02-20, 22:56

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Originally Posted by Kanon

The Dragon will just tell Granolah how to become the strongest, just like Shenron told Goku how to become SSG.

The dragon will end up sending Granolah to Beerus's planet where Beerus will take note of Granolah's anger and desire for revenge and decide he's a good candidate to learn Hakai.

DragonOsman · 2021-02-21, 08:34

Yeah, the amount of power shouldn't be indicated by that. But we'll see, I guess.

Kanon · 2021-02-21, 12:14

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Originally Posted by GDB

To be fair, Kami wouldn't have been able to stop the Saiyans either. Neither could Guru (though Nail could have). I don't think that's necessarily indicative of the dragon's power.

It is indicative, since they in fact wanted to wish for Vegeta and Nappa's death during the Saiyan arc, and it was said it couldn't be done because Shenron was only as powerful as Kami (I always wondered, though. Couldn't they have asked for their pods to malfunction/blow up? They would have died in space as a result). If the Dragon can't kill someone stronger than him, it should be logical it can't make someone stronger than him either.

justavisitor · 2021-02-21, 14:58

Hopefully that the tiny dragon won't grant the wish. Otherwise what is the point of Heeters also looking for the dragonball? The tiny dragon probably will tell the character a way to do so

alex_drian · 2021-02-21, 23:14

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Originally Posted by Kanon

It is indicative, since they in fact wanted to wish for Vegeta and Nappa's death during the Saiyan arc, and it was said it couldn't be done because Shenron was only as powerful as Kami (I always wondered, though. Couldn't they have asked for their pods to malfunction/blow up? They would have died in space as a result). If the Dragon can't kill someone stronger than him, it should be logical it can't make someone stronger than him either.

We know Vegeta and Nappa of that time now, but they didn't so it wasn't a sure thing that would have work, so not worth the risk.

alex_drian · 2021-02-21, 23:18

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Originally Posted by justavisitor

Hopefully that the tiny dragon won't grant the wish. Otherwise what is the point of Heeters also looking for the dragonball? The tiny dragon probably will tell the character a way to do so

Is not relevant but I don't remember if it was stated in this manga that the super dragon actually at least is potent enough to kill a hakaishin at least according to Whis in the anime.

Kanon · 2021-03-12, 08:38

Drafs are out.

Spoiler for 70:

DragonOsman · 2021-03-12, 11:03

Yeah. He became the strongest (not counting the gods). I wonder what the condition was. Maybe this either means the dragon can't make him the strongest unless he works for it, or the dragons from 2 Dragon Balls are more powerful (aside from Super Shenron).

Either way, unless Goku and Vegeta can become stronger than Granolah, they're in big trouble.

justavisitor · 2021-03-12, 15:53

excluding the god...supreme kai is a god. Grand kai (anime) is a god. Kai is a god. Dende is supposed to be a god for earth. So....

GDB · 2021-03-12, 16:37

Going to guess that the concept here is that he's folding his future latent potential onto the present version of him to gain power. So cutting off massive chunks of his life to empower himself now.

Galaxian · 2021-03-12, 17:48

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Drafs are out.

[SPOILER="70"]Switch to Vegeta and his training, he manages to pull of a hakai on a tiny rock. When Goku implies that he and Vegeta are the only contenders for strongest in the Universe, Whis replies he can't be so sure and goes "right?" while looking at the Oracle Fish, who replies the strongest warrior is about to be born.

Did they forget about Broly? Or has Vegeta surpassed him?

Kanon · 2021-03-12, 19:24

I doubt Broly will ever show up in the manga anyway. It didn't even bother adapting the movie, just a two page recap and that's it.

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Originally Posted by GDB

Going to guess that the concept here is that he's folding his future latent potential onto the present version of him to gain power. So cutting off massive chunks of his life to empower himself now.

So basically going Gon-san? That explains the hair

Kanon · 2021-03-18, 16:54

Chapter's out.

GDB was 100% right. Granolah could have lived 150 more years and that was cut down to 3 after he made the wish. I'm not sure why that enabled him to (apparently) learn hakai though. I should have guessed he would cut his hair because there's no way Toyotaro would draw them every chapter.

I thought Frieza would be the one tricking Granolah into going after Goku and Vegeta, but the Heeters will do it. Little do they know Goku and Vegeta hate fighting two on one... Really hoping Vegeta gets to defeat the "bad" guy this time, what with all the parallels between him and Granolah.
The Heeters plan to take over Frieza's army and I'm just left wondering why they didn't do that during all those years Frieza was dead.

Shadow5YA · 2021-03-19, 03:39

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Chapter's out.

GDB was 100% right. Granolah could have lived 150 more years and that was cut down to 3 after he made the wish. I'm not sure why that enabled him to (apparently) learn hakai though. I should have guessed he would cut his hair because there's no way Toyotaro would draw them every chapter.

I thought Frieza would be the one tricking Granolah into going after Goku and Vegeta, but the Heeters will do it. Little do they know Goku and Vegeta hate fighting two on one... Really hoping Vegeta gets to defeat the "bad" guy this time, what with all the parallels between him and Granolah.
The Heeters plan to take over Frieza's army and I'm just left wondering why they didn't do that during all those years Frieza was dead.

Huh? It didn't look like Hakai to me. It was stated that the boulder exploded.

If it really was Hakai, then the boulder would have been disintegrated with no debris left.

Kanon · 2021-03-19, 09:47

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Huh? It didn't look like Hakai to me. It was stated that the boulder exploded.

If it really was Hakai, then the boulder would have been disintegrated with no debris left.

Oatmill was surprised and asked what kind of technique that was, which indicates it's not an ordinary ki thing. Furthermore, there's a panel showing the boulder coming apart before the explosion. Then we had Granolah turning what what's his name threw at him into dust, another application of hakai.

Shadow5YA · 2021-03-19, 10:07

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Oatmill was surprised and asked what kind of technique that was, which indicates it's not an ordinary ki thing. Furthermore, there's a panel showing the boulder coming apart before the explosion. Then we had Granolah turning what what's his name threw at him into dust, another application of hakai.

Of course it's not regular ki, but non-ki abilities aren't exactly limited to gods either. Frieza technically has telekinesis too.

Kanon · 2021-03-19, 11:43

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Of course it's not regular ki, but non-ki abilities aren't exactly limited to gods either. Frieza technically has telekinesis too.

Compare the pages where Granolah destroys the boulder and the one where Beerus destroys the rock. Both are portrayed EXACTLY the same way, down to the same sound effects.

Pages are missing from Mangaplus right now for some reason.

DragonOsman · 2021-03-19, 15:47

Beerus said that "Destruction" causes the target to cease to exist. The stuff Granolah used that move on didn't cause its targets to cease to exist. The time when he used it in front of the Heeters, he just turned a piece of rock into sand--since it still existed as sand, it didn't cease to exist. So that wasn't "Destruction".

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Drafs are out. Spoiler for 70: The dragon initially says he can't make Granolah stronger than his latent potential, HOWEVER, if Granolah accept his condition, he can make him the strongest warrior in the Universe excluding the Gods. Granolah of course answers he's willing to accept any conditions. Switch to Vegeta and his training, he manages to pull of a hakai on a tiny rock. When Goku implies that he and Vegeta are the only contenders for strongest in the Universe, Whis replies he can't be so sure and goes "right?" while looking at the Oracle Fish, who replies the strongest warrior is about to be born. Cut to Granolah who now has long hair (looks just like SSJ3). He lifts a giant rock with telekinesis and the drafts end here. __________________

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DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Yeah. He became the strongest (not counting the gods). I wonder what the condition was. Maybe this either means the dragon can't make him the strongest unless he works for it, or the dragons from 2 Dragon Balls are more powerful (aside from Super Shenron). Either way, unless Goku and Vegeta can become stronger than Granolah, they're in big trouble. __________________

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justavisitor Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Earth	excluding the god...supreme kai is a god. Grand kai (anime) is a god. Kai is a god. Dende is supposed to be a god for earth. So.... __________________ Come and join Ranka Lee Fanclub !!! Join our club and you will see 1)Ranka pics 2)Ranka/Alto pic 3)Relatively Sane discussion about Ranka 4)amv for Ranka To all old and new Sheryl fans: I am a Ranka fan and I have significant experience in defending various "crimes" committed by Ranka, from her evil plan to terminate human races, to feeding inapporiate food to unknown lifeforms. If you think you find "new" charges aginst Ranka and you are interested, or you care to see how a particular Ranka fan would respond, please feel free to check my previous comment. There is a good chance that I have answered a similiar issue. And of course, my viewpoints do not necessarily represent other perspectivs from numerous Ranka fans in this planet

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GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	To be fair, Kami wouldn't have been able to stop the Saiyans either. Neither could Guru (though Nail could have). I don't think that's necessarily indicative of the dragon's power.

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GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Going to guess that the concept here is that he's folding his future latent potential onto the present version of him to gain power. So cutting off massive chunks of his life to empower himself now.

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Chapter's out. GDB was 100% right. Granolah could have lived 150 more years and that was cut down to 3 after he made the wish. I'm not sure why that enabled him to (apparently) learn hakai though. I should have guessed he would cut his hair because there's no way Toyotaro would draw them every chapter. I thought Frieza would be the one tricking Granolah into going after Goku and Vegeta, but the Heeters will do it. Little do they know Goku and Vegeta hate fighting two on one... Really hoping Vegeta gets to defeat the "bad" guy this time, what with all the parallels between him and Granolah. The Heeters plan to take over Frieza's army and I'm just left wondering why they didn't do that during all those years Frieza was dead. __________________

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DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Beerus said that "Destruction" causes the target to cease to exist. The stuff Granolah used that move on didn't cause its targets to cease to exist. The time when he used it in front of the Heeters, he just turned a piece of rock into sand--since it still existed as sand, it didn't cease to exist. So that wasn't "Destruction". __________________