(L) Mushoku Tensei -Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu- [WN]

[NicApple]

Originally Posted by iLikePotatoes

Hmm could this be the moment where Rudi finally learns chant-less healing magic?




Actually, the turning points have always been negative but end up having a positive effect on the story.

Turning point 1: the metastasis event, Rudi met Rudjerd and travelled the continent becoming stronger (although there were some negatives in that a lot of people died, but overall character growth was positive)

Turning point 2: Orsted puts hole in Rudis' chest event, Rudi learned Ran ma, met Nanahoshi and lost bait of his aragonite attitude.

Turning point 3: Sylphy pregnant, letter from Gisu to go to Begaritto event, meets Roxy, find mother(although he loses his father, but meh Pauls death flag was raised from the end Vol. 1 when he separated from Rudi).

Turning point 4: Hitogami attempted murder and alternate Rudi down fall event, led to the development of magic armour, Eris as 3rd wife, joining Orsted.

All together there were more positives than negatives, so if there is a turning point within this chapter precedence dictates that we will see some negatives and some positives.

What I thought Turning Point was that it is not a 100% negative twist either.
It's just when the deviation from the supposed fate of individuals occurs which in turns affects the future of the entire world.

Like
Turning Point 1: Nanahoshi descends and with her presence there, the metastasis event occured as the world's fate cracks under the influence of an abnormality.

Turning Point 2: Yes... Rudeus gets killed etc. But the main thing is the meeting of Rudeus, Orsted and Nanahoshi. The 2 irregulars with the one who is binded to the fate of the world. Being acquainted allowed Rudy to link up with Nanahoshi again and opened up a connection to Orsted from there.

Turning Point 3: Birth of the 3rd irregular, Lucy. Sylphy was not suppose to be alive... Roxy too. But because of Rudeus prescence, a child who is not suppose to exist has now entered the world.

Turning Point 4: As we all know, Hitogami has been working behind the scenes to return the world back to its original fate, where those who are suppose to be dead, dies and the future where Orsted reaches him never comes about. Now comes the 4th Irregular, Future Rudeus. His presence has finally caused the world's fate to shift to a whole new path, where Orsted and Rudeus joins forces and Hitogami can no longer revert the world back without eliminating the irregulars.


No matter how you see it... all the turning points were in favor of Rudeus. If Turning point = negative... Paul's death & Zenith going mental could have been labelled as Turning Point. But his death and her being mental has no impact on the fate of the world. It was already on the wrong path. Rudeus / Roxy 's death would just make it right again. I'm guessing there was a Turning Point 0 as well -> Birth of Rudeus.


So long story short.
Yep... Turning Point coming up.
Right now the fate of the world is returning to its original state, where Orsted meets his end before Hitogami.

Spoiler for my own delusion of a turning point:

Orsted watches on as he thinks back on the events that happened in this timeline.

How this unknown individual, Rudeus... has transformed
Then he makes comments on the various people he has gathered to help him.
Cliff, Zanoba, Ariel and now even the Supard race who he thought could not be saved.
And he even uncovered the secret apostle, Gisu.
He finally sees the chance to put an end to all of this.

Then wondering where Rudeus is now when Sword and North God comes...
He watches as all the allies that Rudeus gathers fall one by one...
That even his HQ was demolished and all hope is lost.

Then when Orsted decides that this timeline is a gone cause and is about to surrender/fight and die later

Teleportation circle lights up and his reinforcement appears...

Looking gallant as she rides in on top of her Guardian pet #1, the savior Lara

Lucy with an oversized mage hat and the 'Arrogant Water Dragon King' staff thats nearly twice her size, which Rudeus left at home.
Together with the little guy who always cries carrying the newborn child with a unhappy face (Ars carrying Sieg, who obviously hates it since sieg's not a girl)

Little children squad arrives.

[Zackarov]

gisu has the upper hand, it isn't strange if the author use the turning point chapter to flip the condition. after all, it is TURNING point...

[Satakarni]

Originally Posted by NicApple

What I thought Turning Point was that it is not a 100% negative twist either.
It's just when the deviation from the supposed fate of individuals occurs which in turns affects the future of the entire world.

Like
Turning Point 1: Nanahoshi descends and with her presence there, the metastasis event occured as the world's fate cracks under the influence of an abnormality.

Turning Point 2: Yes... Rudeus gets killed etc. But the main thing is the meeting of Rudeus, Orsted and Nanahoshi. The 2 irregulars with the one who is binded to the fate of the world. Being acquainted allowed Rudy to link up with Nanahoshi again and opened up a connection to Orsted from there.

Turning Point 3: Birth of the 3rd irregular, Lucy. Sylphy was not suppose to be alive... Roxy too. But because of Rudeus prescence, a child who is not suppose to exist has now entered the world.

Turning Point 4: As we all know, Hitogami has been working behind the scenes to return the world back to its original fate, where those who are suppose to be dead, dies and the future where Orsted reaches him never comes about. Now comes the 4th Irregular, Future Rudeus. His presence has finally caused the world's fate to shift to a whole new path, where Orsted and Rudeus joins forces and Hitogami can no longer revert the world back without eliminating the irregulars.


No matter how you see it... all the turning points were in favor of Rudeus. If Turning point = negative... Paul's death & Zenith going mental could have been labelled as Turning Point. But his death and her being mental has no impact on the fate of the world. It was already on the wrong path. Rudeus / Roxy 's death would just make it right again. I'm guessing there was a Turning Point 0 as well -> Birth of Rudeus.


So long story short.
Yep... Turning Point coming up.
Right now the fate of the world is returning to its original state, where Orsted meets his end before Hitogami.

Spoiler for my own delusion of a turning point:

Orsted watches on as he thinks back on the events that happened in this timeline.

How this unknown individual, Rudeus... has transformed
Then he makes comments on the various people he has gathered to help him.
Cliff, Zanoba, Ariel and now even the Supard race who he thought could not be saved.
And he even uncovered the secret apostle, Gisu.
He finally sees the chance to put an end to all of this.

Then wondering where Rudeus is now when Sword and North God comes...
He watches as all the allies that Rudeus gathers fall one by one...
That even his HQ was demolished and all hope is lost.

Then when Orsted decides that this timeline is a gone cause and is about to surrender/fight and die later

Teleportation circle lights up and his reinforcement appears...

Looking gallant as she rides in on top of her Guardian pet #1, the savior Lara

Lucy with an oversized mage hat and the 'Arrogant Water Dragon King' staff thats nearly twice her size, which Rudeus left at home.
Together with the little guy who always cries carrying the newborn child with a unhappy face (Ars carrying Sieg, who obviously hates it since sieg's not a girl)

Little children squad arrives.

wow that some seriously delusional turning point...but i guess it would be too dark for this series..it would be like the typical shonen event where the sea of despair turns around to complete victory in a couple of chapters, leaving us to wonder what the heck just happened.????

But realistically, what are rudi's options???
Remember, with the transition magic circles gone, he cant summon mk1. Rudeus' biggest rump card is inaccessible to him now.
if he wants to get out of this situation, he needs to meet the following objectives.

1) Stop the bleeding from his arms(what used to be arms).
2) Get help or contact someone.
3) Get out of the valley alive without using magic.
4) Find some war potential similar to the mk-1 to settle things.
5) and most of all reattach his limbs.

1and 3 can be done somehow. 2 can be done if he can contact the supard village.
5 can be done if he reaches orsted. 4 is going to be the most difficult since he cant manufacture another mk-1.
And they still dont know what other traps gisu came up with.

Rudi's main weakness is that his recognition of someone as enemy is low. Yes, he fights them but he doesn't hate their guts and try to massacre them. I think this might be the point where we might see his attitude change. Even if he gets out of this and all of his family and friends are alive, his psyche is severely affected.

my prediction..

Spoiler for Prediction:

Rudeus is going to be pissed that the ogre god came to the city to destroy the office and possibly harm his children. He wouldn't be his usual goofy, humble, soft self.

The reason why this seems to be really well planned and over the top by gisu/ hito is that they know that if rudeus survives finds his family hurt, he is going to be a formidable enemy than he already is...so thay are going all out.

The only way for rudeus to change the situation is to go back in time. i think atofe's gift is somekind of ancient magic tool that allows people's consciousness to go back in time.
Because then he can reset the board to his liking..

But i'm worried it will look too much like shonen asspull stunts of other authors that magonote would not like to emulate...

The interesting thing is that for all their bluster the sword god + north god didn't seem to know too much about rudeus or his strength. They were acting lie he was their usual run of the mill magician. What with their arrogance and relaxed attitude.

My guess is that they didn't know or were seriously underestimating rudeus.

I enthusiastically await the humiliation conga that is to be unleashed on the sword dog duo and their leash.

[iLikePotatoes]

Hmm I know it's weird to say, I hate the turning points so much because they scare me due to their always being deaths. However I also like them because they completely flip the story, changing direction without it being an absurd asspull.

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Anyone have a favourite turning point ?


My favourite turning point is turning point 4 because of Roxy being wifed and future Rudi... However it's also my most hated turning point because it gives us a look at a tragedy route, which is really depressing. The thing that shocked me was Rudis' family being burned alive and Sylphy being executed.

[Breimoon]

I wonder what is going on with the other allies

Spoiler for raw:

, some of them are quite strong so they should not have easily problems.And is it time for Rudeus's box opening? What if it turns him into some sort of immortal demon like the others we already know? Or maybe it is just a summoning item? I can't wait for next ch!!!

[hound297]

Spoiler for raw:

Well at least we know who are the 3 apostles now.
The Sword God, North God and Fierce God.
Having a clear target is easier when you are dealing with Hitogami.
Hopefully this experience will change Rudeus's policy from "Converting" Hitogami's apostles (Excuse me, do you have time to hear about our lord and savior, Dragon God ?) to killing his apostles (Death to the heretics!).

[Breimoon]

Spoiler for raw:

We are not sure they are apostles, they could just have talked with Gisu

[Zackarov]

Originally Posted by Satakarni

But realistically, what are rudi's options???
Remember, with the transition magic circles gone, he cant summon mk1. Rudeus' biggest rump card is inaccessible to him now.
if he wants to get out of this situation, he needs to meet the following objectives.

he can still summon Mk.I because he use scroll to summon it.
but, since the HQ is destroyed. we don't know what happen to Mk.I

[hound297]

Originally Posted by Breimoon

Spoiler for raw:

We are not sure they are apostles, they could just have talked with Gisu

Ah you are right.

Spoiler for -:

They might be indirect apostles (converted by Gisu). Direct apostles are the ones visited in the dream by Hitogami himself.

[Satakarni]

Originally Posted by Zackarov

he can still summon Mk.I because he use scroll to summon it.
but, since the HQ is destroyed. we don't know what happen to Mk.I

the basis of all his summoning scrolls is the bidirectional transfer magic circles. Ogre dog trashed all that. All his fancy equipment built by orsted is gone. That's why i made my prediction that ..

Spoiler for My take:

he will require a time overwrite ancient magic tool probably one that was conveniently left to her(atofe) by necros, (saying give it to the man who impresses her, she gave it to the first north god but he refused)..
at least that's my prediction.

[sodemas]

well, i can see where all the worring is coming from, i am also afraid of those 2 words but come on, not everything was lost, if Rudeus was to die he would already be dead, se we can be sure that he will get out of that ravine, and Wives and friends are probaly safe where they are. the wrost it could happen would be the children geting killed/hurt but as far i seen they havnt got any death flags so i think they are safe for the most part (not that they are 100% safe but not likely to all die...)

[DemiDomo]

This is the sorta stuff that makes me sit on edge or just stop reading till the arc is over.

Then read it all.

[Sebazu]

Originally Posted by NicApple

So long story short.
Yep... Turning Point coming up.

I don't think so.

All turning points came out of nowhere and during a peaceful time, the fact that thing are already getting fucked kind of shows there isnt one coming.

[Destiny Knight]

Originally Posted by Sebazu

I don't think so.

All turning points came out of nowhere and during a peaceful time, the fact that thing are already getting fucked kind of shows there isnt one coming.

Maybe it will be a turning point after rudeus is saved and everything is solved but suddenly perugius is kiled *shocking*

[Amuris]

we make a lot of weird assumptions about this story. I guess, because its gone on for so long, it's hard to remember all the details.

For starters, Rudy can use healing magic to a pretty high degree. I forget whether he said he could use up to saint or king rank with chants.(bear in mind this was years ago) If he can tread water or chant as he loses air, he can manage.

Rudy can use internal magic and started learning to use Holy dragon touki when he was 20. However, he uses the armor and rock bullets so much, as their effective, he hasn't tried any new or alternative methods. This makes it so we don't know how much he's progressed in the last 5 years but his usual methods don't seem to be very effective right now.

For something stranger, the current ogre god doesn't use the golden armor. As I recall, it was said that Badi came here to get it but never if he actually reached it. Shouldn't it be sealed somewhere in the ocean around that area?

Rudy and future Rudy both establish that limitations on magic is generally self imposed. Whether it is how he found that learning to chant didn't help or learning the beast race only magic, it's clear that magic doesn't have to be used in a certain way or with certain appendages.

There were more things but...I forgot while I was typing...

[Tenzen12]

Rudy can do barely saint level of healing and only with invocation (and probably at least one hand), and for Dragon touki is not about internal use of magic in first place.

[ththth13]

Rudy cannot use dragon touki at all. He still cannot feel internal magic, so he cannot use any form of touki, and he needs chant for all healing, curing and barrier magic. He is at intermediate level in barrier magic, with chant, that's all.

There is at least one magic he can use without his hands, and that's the voice magic. Now would be very good time to try to figure out how to really use it. Future Rudy could use it to send his voice to far away, which would be very useful in the current situation.

It's also very possible that healing magic can be used with just chant if you use it to yourself.

[Tenzen12]

Dragon touki is touki by name only, in reality it's just combination if martial arts and external spells. I guess something like Gun-kata and yes, Rudy is practitioner.

[El Rue]

Hmm...without his bracelet, couldn't Hitogami see him again?


"Hey loser! Long time no see! Need a hand?...or two? Hahahaha"

"...Oh, EFF me..."

[ththth13]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Dragon touki is touki by name only, in reality it's just combination if martial arts and external spells. I guess something like Gun-kata and yes, Rudy is practitioner.

No, holy dragon touki is just as name implies, better version of usual touki. It protects much better than normal touki against all attacks. That's why Orsted can tank Rudy's rock bullets while badigadi could not, despite having especially strong touki protection. (He could tank sword of light from nina)

It's also name of the martial arts, and that's what Rudy has learned. But he uses it with his magic armor, and not with his own body.

Mk.I had saint level healing circle installed on it, if mk.II has similar function, then it will save Rudy.