To Aru Majutsu no Index II - Episode 5 Discussion / Poll

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by hai_san

Bad Boy Touma punching the girl twice! and even in the face that is so brutal... couldnt he punch her in the stomach instead?

Think about it.

Imagine Breaker -> Nun magic robe

Then again it could probably win the fight instantly.

Originally Posted by Duskyra

What`s the problem with punching the villain? It`s not always guys who play the bad role... I know, I get the fact it probably doesn`t look so cool punching a female, even more when it`s around 14 years old (? eh, what was her age again...) girl... I`m not saying I enjoyed looking at that scene thinking "punch her some more", but still, you don`t see a loli as a main villain every day, some variation is nice XD

Lolis as villains? Some how I think they're appearing more frequently

Or rather, the scariest ones are always the little girls...

[Mizuno]

Can someone tell me what exactly is Agnese's power?

[Yui Is My Wife]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

Really, who hasn't wanted to do that to a Kugimiya Rie character at least once? Just admit it to yourselves.

Louise of Zero No Tsukaima oh Heck Yes!! There's "funny" beatings and then there's the sadistic crap that she does to Saito.

But heck no, not Sanzein Nagi of Hayate No Gotoku, who is just a lonley and innocent little girl who dosen't know how to be a little girl for the want of a mother since the age of 4.

And try doing that to Alphonse Elric and all you'll get is a hand full of broken bones.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Mizuno

Can someone tell me what exactly is Agnese's power?

Lol, I've been waiting for someone to ask that.

The short version is just that, whatever form of damage she does to the staff would be dealt to her enemy. But as you can see there are timing, distance and positions to consider.

The long version is that it uses [Idol Theory] principles, similar to the map of Japan which created 47 portals that didn't exist before. The Lotus Staff represents The five elements— fire, wind, water, earth, and ether. And since everything is created from the five elements, when she mixes Idol Theory the 'staff' becomes like that map, whatever action she does to it would affect the real thing.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Joe_fh

And as it was mentioned, I wonder how Acclerator will fight against Agnese. It's clear she won't really be able to do anything since he'll deflect the attacks, though if they appear from thin air can he redirect them back at her? There's no way he'd lose or most probably even get hit(touched) but I wonder what will happen to Agnese's attacks...

Agnese would be turn into splattered meat if he goes against Accelerator.

Spoiler for about the attack:

magic can't be reflect or redirect by Accelerator. Once it enter the filter it would just turn into rainbow fireworks which is harmless. Because Accelerator doesn't know the principle or how the magic works. He can't add it on his filter and without that he can't control it.

For the strength of Agnese. She's probably around level 4 only. Her attacks would be fatal on the people who can't "predict" and "auto protect" himself. Because it's an invisible attack. Unless you could know where it would it. Then you could dodge. But the attacks are well coordinated and by the users will so you can't just predict it. Kakine and Accelerator had their auto protect system so they probably wouldn't get hurt by it.

[Flere821]

Finally got around to watching it... and for some reason I think Kaori looks younger than her previous scenes >.>

Loved the bit where Innocentius pops up, though when Touma punched Agnese there should be wind flowing around his fist like that right...? >.>

Overall, 8/10 from me.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Agnese would be turn into splattered meat if he goes against Accelerator.

Spoiler for about the attack:

magic can't be reflect or redirect by Accelerator. Once it enter the filter it would just turn into rainbow fireworks which is harmless. Because Accelerator doesn't know the principle or how the magic works. He can't add it on his filter and without that he can't control it.

For the strength of Agnese. She's probably around level 4 only. Her attacks would be fatal on the people who can't "predict" and "auto protect" himself. Because it's an invisible attack. Unless you could know where it would it. Then you could dodge. But the attacks are well coordinated and by the users will so you can't just predict it. Kakine and Accelerator had their auto protect system so they probably wouldn't get hurt by it.

That only applies to Accelerator after awakening not the actual of this season.

[Jarmel]

The falcon punch was epic.

Anyway I was going to comment about Orsola not being able to decipher the book and how that seemed like a huge plothole however it seems the higherups knew all along and just wanted control of Kanzaki.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Jarmel

The falcon punch was epic.

Anyway I was going to comment about Orsola not being able to decipher the book and how that seemed like a huge plothole however it seems the higherups knew all along and just wanted control of Kanzaki.

Nope, Laura didn't know that Orsula didn't have the right answer, she said so herself.

Orsula thought she had the answer to solve the Book of the Law because her formula yielded results, only that she didn't realize it was a false positive. Index said that the reason why the Book of the Law was such a nightmare was because there are hundreds of ways to decipher it, and they all would give a different answer.

Kanzaki came into the picture only when Amakusa was involved later on.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

That only applies to Accelerator after awakening not the actual of this season.

after awakening? but

Spoiler:

but that setting was like a default for him when he fought the magicians. He doesn't understand what's happening or what is the nature of the attack but still his filter works. And it's not like he awaken when that attack hits him

Laura's main goal is the amakusa and Kaori. Orsola is just an additional to it. The anime cuts the line but Laura is in the balance of good and evil. She do tons of evil and the same time lots of good. So you can't tell if she's evil or good.

She's evil plotting to chained Kaori a saint but she's also good because she also plans to save Orsola.

[Arabesque]

And thus it ends.

Can't say I had the best impression on this arc. Still, the final fight was well animated at least, even if it did consist of nothing but Touma getting the crap beat out of him while Kugimiya was twirling around her staff. I still don't get how he managed to dodge that last attack though? I mean yeah he did avoid the early ones, but that last one made Kugimiya surprised? Did he just get lucky or figure out where it would come from?

I did like how they at least had the nuns who punctured their ears struggle to walk at least, though the scene where the rest of them were tearing at the door only to find that the group were talking and decided to wait politely until they were done was very badly handled.

I'd give the arc 5/10, but the episode a 7. It was the best out of the whole lot, but that's not very impressive.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Lol, I've been waiting for someone to ask that.

The short version is just that, whatever form of damage she does to the staff would be dealt to her enemy. But as you can see there are timing, distance and positions to consider.

The long version is that it uses [Idol Theory] principles, similar to the map of Japan which created 47 portals that didn't exist before. The Lotus Staff represents The five elements— fire, wind, water, earth, and ether. And since everything is created from the five elements, when she mixes Idol Theory the 'staff' becomes like that map, whatever action she does to it would affect the real thing.

Thanks for the explanation.

That sounds like an excellent tool for assassination. Is there a limit on how big the map on the staff needs to be? Is more to do with visualizing the whole map or is it about how far the target is?

[Marcus H.]

I can only estimate that the effective range of the Lotus Wand magic is a three-meter diameter sphere with the target as the center. Note that Touma had to punch through the effective area's barrier to render the magic temporarily useless.

[Yui Is My Wife]

Quick sidetrack.

Touma would probably be NO match for the Dorm-Mother of Tokiwadai's Middle School for Young Ladies.

Heck, in a comedic side story not related to the main saga, she apparently did the "Kuroko-special" on Mikoto and sent another LEVEL 5 packing in terror at the sight of the Electromaster's Broken-Neck...

... without any powers.

[tsunade666]

but that's the area of effect set as the target center but not the actual range of lotus wand. Withing that area of effect you can set any place to take damage. But considering the actual range it's probably dependent on the line of sight. As long as your in sight or align to it. You can set it as a target to take damage.

[DJ Trouble]

Have I heard correctly? Next episode has Kuroko in it?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

And thus it ends.

Can't say I had the best impression on this arc. Still, the final fight was well animated at least, even if it did consist of nothing but Touma getting the crap beat out of him while Kugimiya was twirling around her staff. I still don't get how he managed to dodge that last attack though? I mean yeah he did avoid the early ones, but that last one made Kugimiya surprised? Did he just get lucky or figure out where it would come from?

It's a matter of who has the better timing.

There's a delay between time of the 'command being given' and the moment it has been 'executed'. The original with attacks were easily dodged because Anieze was still zeroing her attack and Touma could take advantage of the delay, but afterwards Anieze could compensate for the delay by estimating where Touma would dodge upon seeing her attack and readjust it to hit him.

So Touma decided to to bait her; By running in a straight line he created a scenario where she could easily predict his next move. But at the same time, it would also mean that Touma could easily predict which attack she would use he then stopped short of running into the attack and I think before she could readjust, he negated it .

Originally Posted by Arabesque

That sounds like an excellent tool for assassination. Is there a limit on how big the map on the staff needs to be? Is more to do with visualizing the whole map or is it about how far the target is?

No details on the specific, it's just a range attack that inflicts damage to the target in the manner of which the staff is being damaged.

[tsunade666]

yap. Next episode is about railgun girls - saten.

[AlaAlba]

loli punch lol XD but Touma could unhurt Agnese by touching her staff only, Touma you evil

and woot for Kuroko episode.

[zeniselv]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

yap. Next episode is about railgun girls - saten.

who knows she migth make a cameo.

[tsunade666]

^ who knows. I actually like saten most out of the railgun girls but if she would really appear. Then the next episode should have shown her barging in the branch.