To Aru Majutsu no Index - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[KaneDragon]

Originally Posted by frubam

Also, at the end, he got the device to kill Last Order right? Just making sure, since it didn't clarify which item did what.

If it's about killing, Accelerator doesn't need any help.

...

It was information on her.

[KennethSoulSociety]

Throughout most of the LN volumes I've read, Accelerator is the only name for him.

That device he took contained original personal data of Last Order.

[frubam]

Ok thanks for that info . I was hoping the item he took was the way to destroy her, which, regardless if it was or not, he would save her. Now I'm wondering what would be more cliche; Acc helping her, even though he seemed uninterested in her, or Acc originally intending to kill her, then changes his mind when he meets her? Oh well, as long as Acc kicks some ass in the end and makes loli-love with loli Misaka, its all good.

[Index92]

So there's probably going to be one more arc after this one ends. Does anyone know which one it might be?

[SwiftStrike]

I'm guessing it involves the people we havent met in the OP?

[Guardian Enzo]

Chibi-chibi Biri-Biri!

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Definitely don't see what to misunderstand. Because in reality, 10000 people lay dead because of him.

And another 10000 are living because of him.

I am _not_ saying that to justify his actions, just stating that fact.

[Cinocard]

They aren't living because of him. They live because Touma defeated him. He didn't save them...

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by Cinocard

They aren't living because of him. They live because Touma defeated him. He didn't save them...

Ah, but the only reason they even exist in the first place is because of Accelerator. So technically they are living because of him, even if they were originally supposed to die because of him.

[LeaD36]

i can see the glimmer in accelerator eyes if his original goal would have been to

Spoiler for stuff:

impregnate 20.000 Railguns

[aliasxn]

Academy City must be the best fictional city ever, cute lolis just fall into your lap!!

Loli Biri Biri is one of the cutest things I've ever seen in my life, moe-meter exploded.

[Darknemo2000]

So Tokkan, does that mean that if a father beats up his daughter everyday and even actually killed a few of the sisters before, it is ok, because she is living because of him (as without him there would be no her)?

Thats disgusting attitude.

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

So Tokkan, does that mean that if a father beats up his daughter everyday and even actually killed a few of the sisters before, it is ok, because she is living because of him (as without him there would be no her)?

Thats disgusting attitude.

No, I'm not saying that. I was just pointing out that technically they were alive because of Accelerator. Yes, everything Accel (which I shall call him from now on) did was wrong. There's no disputing that.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by jiv

So, is anybody watching the fansubs? Who is better? Aoshen or Eclipse? I watched both versions for this episode and there are entire parts where the meaning of the scene changes completely depending on the fansub

Eclipse is more better because at least you understand what the characters were trying to say.

[-Sho-]

Well , Accelerator turns like a good guy wow omg ... and Misaka who acting like she didn't care about the 10000 sisters die even though Accelerator kill them ... If Accelerator would give a message for her , he didn't have to kill omg . Well whatever its like that ...

[Shiroi Hane]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

So Tokkan, does that mean that if a father beats up his daughter everyday and even actually killed a few of the sisters before, it is ok, because she is living because of him (as without him there would be no her)?

Thats disgusting attitude.

That's not a terribly good comparison because each of those children was a unique individual. If life can be replicated and replaced with ease it loses it's value. If you had a spare, an exact duplicate constantly updated with all your memories and experiences, waiting in the wings should anything go wrong would you start taking more risks? You could argue that the sisters are a disposable item. You could also argue that they were treated in an even more inhumane manner than foxes and lobsters but that's another kettle of crustaceans.

[Darknemo2000]

Which would lead to dispute is a clone in equal position as original? I think he/she is, because from the moment of the existence you are not exactly of the memories you had before but individual existence and because some of them died it was because they never given chance to explore their individuality as they were killed way too fast.

For me there is not difference between original individuals and cloned individuals - they all have equal rights and are individual in their own rights.

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Which would lead to dispute is a clone in equal position as original? I think he/she is, because from the moment of the existence you are not exactly of the memories you had before but individual existence and because some of them died it was because they never given chance to explore their individuality as they were killed way too fast.

For me there is not difference between original individuals and cloned individuals - they all have equal rights and are individual in their own rights.

That's missing the point that they have a hive mind. These aren't just clones, these are clones who share memories and experiences with an entire network of clones. While it's obvious that someone is an individual even if they share the same memories because of their diverging experiences in the future, its not obvious at all that MISAKA isn't in fact one person.

In that sense, its (maybe) reasonable for her to value her individual bodies about as much as we value our fingernails. It hurts to get them pulled out, but we can just grow another one. It's not like a fingernail is a person. Well, its unclear how much of their memory or even personality is shared (and obviously Touma made them re-evaluate the situation).

Anyway, the clone analogy just doesn't work because that's not at all the issue here. Science fiction has been answering the clone question, repeatedly, for the better half of a century.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

If he did something helpful to the world other than spending his days going to the convenience store and daring to continue living his life.

He saved it. Does that count?

There are better ways for people to atone for their crimes then to die. For example, if Accelerator had killed himself as you suggest he should have done, we'd now have 9968 Misaka's running around attacking pretty much everything that moves all around the globe.

It's easy to say someone should die, but the very point of atonement is that people do something to make up for their crimes. Killing yourself doesn't do anything but add yet another count to the pile of corpses. It doesn't help anyone. Only by living does Accelerator have a chance to pay his debt to the Misaka-ke, which is far from finished.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by Keroko

There are better ways for people to atone for their crimes then to die.

Desuyone~ Yet for some reason, people invented capital punishment though. Seems that, it's just that there are things that just cannot be forgiven. Even if you "atone" for it. Like, say, kill 10000 people. And considering his age and his motive, it is even less of a laughing matter. And as long as he remains alive, you don't know when he will do it again.
Atonement? If only every massacre/heavy crimes could be settled by just that...

Originally Posted by Keroko

For example, if Accelerator had killed himself as you suggest he should have done, we'd now have 9968 Misaka's running around attacking pretty much everything that moves all around the globe.

Nope. We'd have a dead Last Order. Of course, this is just probability, as we do not know if the "kind" scientist woman would have found them on time.
Besides, Accelerator didn't do everything to save the world, he did everything to save some loli he met the other day.

Originally Posted by Keroko

It doesn't help anyone.

1. Me
2. If everything should be logical, Mikoto and everyone else who should be enraged over his massacre.