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Kazu-kun · 2014-02-23, 16:36

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Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Except Yato.

Yato didn't even know him until the guy basically revealed himself as the villain in front of him. Obviously it doesn't count.

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Originally Posted by BW95

Kazuma wasn't a coward. If her had told her, then he would have been exiled anyway.

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BW95 · 2014-02-23, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Yato didn't even know him until the guy basically revealed himself as the villain in front of him. Obviously it doesn't count.

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She would have held a grudge against Yato anyway for taking on Kazuma's request. Huh. Now that I think about it Bishamon's stuborness to "save" her shinki is worse than Yukine's bratty phase.

Kazu-kun · 2014-02-24, 01:00

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Originally Posted by BW95

She would have held a grudge against Yato anyway for taking on Kazuma's request.

That makes no sense.

Spoiler for spoiler:

Shadow5YA · 2014-03-02, 15:32

So uh... are capybaras going to be some kind of running joke in Shuuishuu?

coded321 · 2014-03-04, 12:46

Spoiler for funny part of chapter 40 raw:

Excorsism · 2014-03-04, 14:26

Chapter 40's pretty fun.

Spoiler for Chapter 40 Summary:

The chapter starts off with Yato killing evil spirits (ayakashi) in attempt to sell himself as a brand new fortune god. He does this in public at an intersection but no one pays him any attention.

Scene shifts to Hiyori and Yato talking under a tree. He complains to her about how he won't get any business since no one notices him. Typically, he introduces himself which allowed people to recognize him but since he's just killing the evil spirits, people don't realize it at all. Yukine yells at Yato and asks him if he wants to sell himself or be a god of fortune. Yato replies with the latter and Yukine tells him to go buy him ice cream,

. Hiyori notices that Yukine's been more strict than usual.

Yukine talks to Hiyori while Yato is off buying ice cream. He tells her that he finally understands the meaning of his existence. Although he did gain some confidence after becoming Yato's divine weapon (祝の器, honestly still unsure about this word) and being told that he was Yato's guide (道標), he still felt empty about it. But earlier when Yato told Yukine to show him the way to becoming a god that can make people/Hiyori happy (chapter 39), he realizes the reason why he existed. Although Yato isn't fully convinced with how Yukine does things, he still goes along anyway which makes Yukine pretty happy about it.

Yato comes back and surprises Hiyori with a cold bag of ice cream to her face. Yato says that he's really uneasy about their current situation because he doesn't know how long he has to continue killing the evil spirits and wonders if there's any point to helping people if they don't wish for it. Yukine screams at him that because he wants instant results that he always ends up failing to which Hiyori agrees. He tells him to just keep doing it.

Hiyori tells Yato to think of it like this: If his current self was something built from what he did in the past, then that meant that what he did now will be connected to what he is in the future. That way, he can see himself being a fortune god quite naturally. Yato takes it to heart. Yukine also notes that his position with Hiyori is reversed. He immediately tells Hiyori to talk to him about anything whenever and Hiyori says sure.

Scene shifts to Bishamon's place and Yato starts off with calling Kazuma scum for not buying the smartphone he promised him last chapter. Yukine and Kazuma stand off and Yato tells Yukine to break his glasses in. Bishamon says there's no way he'd win and they start fighting too. Hiyori asks the two standing off to stop them.

Kazuma thinks to himself that it's important to think that you were the best at making boundaries and techniques but he says he wouldn't tell Yukine that. Yato asks the small Ebisu who's going to win and he replies with Kazuma to Bishamon's delight. Yato points at Kazuma and tells him not to get so cocky. Despite his appearance, he's actually someone who collects tons of pictures of Bishamonten.

Yukine tries to bind Kazuma but he reflects it back. Bishamonten thinks Yato's referring to the picture she took with her entire family and Kazuma wants Yato to shut up. Yukine realizes that Kazuma was distracted since he actually had to guard against him and Yato continues to spill Kazuma's secrets out in the open.　

I'll finish the rest later. Can't really call this a summary either, it's way too long,

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tuckersister · 2014-03-06, 22:32

How is Bishaminten's and Hiyori's relationship so far?

Shadow5YA · 2014-03-07, 23:39

Oh good, one of the volume five 4komas actually addresses an issue I had with a character design.

After the episode with Bishamon in the springs, I always thought how her hair was so long that someone could step on it

Iron Maw · 2014-03-08, 00:57

Finally got around to reading these and I must say the last of been a pretty good set of chapters. I know some have said this arc ends at Ch 25, but it feels like we are already going to hit the climax in the next chapter instead.

-Poor Yukine though.

Certainly wasn't expecting that, but I don't think shinki can be killed that easily. However since they still feel pain, Yukine must be hurting unimaginably right now. But this shows how he and Yato have come to trust another from the first arc.

-So it turns out Kazuma was the one who was actually behind the deaths of Vina's former shinki. Didn't think that the meaning in his name would have such relevance either. Yato back was surprisingly altruistic back then stories surrounding his background seemed to imply otherwise. He didn't take any compensation either and he essentially saved Vina's life. Unfortunately the later was too attached to her now phantomize servants to see that. And of course Yato's flippant attitude never helps matters. =|

Really though, Kazuma should have come clean with this sooner despite Vina's hotheadedness and the shame he would have endured. He owes her that much.

-Hopefully Aiha will wise up realize if she really wishes fix her contamination and help she need to come clean. Of course this isn't all her fault, Vina hasn't attempted heed Kazuma's advice came to looking after the emotional needs of her shinki.

-I wonder if Yato will really hold up Tenjin's condition about cutting his ties Hiyori especially since it won't solve her issue. Until there is a real solution will continue to get involved in affairs of Far Shore with or without Yato.

Kazu-kun · 2014-03-08, 01:36

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Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Unfortunately the later was too attached to her now phantomize servants to see that.

It has nothing to do with that. She's not nearly as stubborn as she seems. If anyone had told her the truth, she would have taken responsibility and moved on. But Kazuma was a coward, and Yato even said he killed her shinki for the lulz.

All that considering, it would be weird if she didn't hold a grudge against him.

Shadow5YA · 2014-03-08, 11:27

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

It has nothing to do with that. She's not nearly as stubborn as she seems. If anyone had told her the truth, she would have taken responsibility and moved on. But Kazuma was a coward, and Yato even said he killed her shinki for the lulz.

All that considering, it would be weird if she didn't hold a grudge against him.

I kind of thought the flashback was iffy since Bishamon did open her eyes and appear conscious, so she should have seen that her Shinki turned into a mass of Ayakashi.

I think it would have been better to keep her out cold to reinforce the idea that she had no idea what happened other than "Yato killed all of my Shinki"

tuckersister · 2014-03-08, 20:45

Are Bishamon and Hiyori on good terms now?

Kazu-kun · 2014-03-08, 22:35

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Originally Posted by tuckersister

Are Bishamon and Hiyori on good terms now?

They never were in bad terms. They just didn't know each other.

Iron Maw · 2014-03-08, 22:51

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

It has nothing to do with that. She's not nearly as stubborn as she seems. If anyone had told her the truth, she would have taken responsibility and moved on. But Kazuma was a coward, and Yato even said he killed her shinki for the lulz.

All that considering, it would be weird if she didn't hold a grudge against him.

I agree with Shadow here too. It makes Vina seem much more stubborn than she should. That said, I chalk that up to her not wanting to truly accept what happened there, she's emotional enough for such a thing. Ofcourse as mentioned, Kazuma and Yato's reactions didn't really help either.

Kazu-kun · 2014-03-08, 23:00

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Originally Posted by Iron Maw

I chalk that up to her not wanting to truly accept what happened there, she's emotional enough for such a thing.

No. If she was like that, they would have had a pretty hard time trying to convince her of the truth. However, it only took Kazuma to reveal what really happened for her to drop her weapons and even apologize to Yato right there on the spot.

She's not stubborn at all, and she wasn't in denial. It was just a misunderstanding due to Kazuma being a freaking coward. He even admits it himself.

Shadow5YA · 2014-03-09, 00:51

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

No. If she was like that, they would have had a pretty hard time trying to convince her of the truth. However, it only took Kazuma to reveal what really happened for her to drop her weapons and even apologize to Yato right there on the spot.

She's not stubborn at all, and she wasn't in denial. It was just a misunderstanding due to Kazuma being a freaking coward. He even admits it himself.

Not stubborn?

Even in chapter 20, Bishamon talks as if killing Yato would save her old Shinki. She pushed on even when blighted, and even when her Shinki were getting corrupted in front of her eyes. It got to the point where she actually summoned them against their will.

I'm not denying that Kazuma exacerbated the problem. It's just that Bishamon is a little more dense than she should be. I understand she isn't exactly of sound mind right now, but come on. This is happening right in front of her eyes. Unlike centuries ago when she was barely conscious to witness the "ma" clan die out, there should be nothing to misunderstand here. Does she think Yato has some weird power to corrupt Shinki or something?

Kazu-kun · 2014-03-09, 03:33

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Even in chapter 20, Bishamon talks as if killing Yato would save her old Shinki.

That's because she's working under the misconception that Yato killed the ma shinki for the lulz, which color her opinion of him regarding pretty much everything. Of course she's going to blame him for what's happening now. Heck, he is the one attacking her place, so there's that as well.

She really has no reasons to believe he isn't the one behind everything, and many reasons to think he is.

And yet, the moment Kazuma explains everything to her, she drops her weapon right there. She doesn't try to deny the truth or anything. That's why I say she's not stubborn.

Kazuma didn't exacerbate the problem. He started it, by not telling the truth right after Yato killed the ma shinki.

Shadow5YA · 2014-03-09, 11:26

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

That's because she's working under the misconception that Yato killed the ma shinki for the lulz, which color her opinion of him regarding pretty much everything. Of course she's going to blame him for what's happening now. Heck, he is the one attacking her place, so there's that as well.

She really has no reasons to believe he isn't the one behind everything, and many reasons to think he is.

There is a reason: she is Bishamon, a well known god that has existed for at least a millennia. If she has been around as long as the name implies (and the flashback shows she's been there since at least somewhere Edo period), she should know how Shinki work like Yato does.

Even under the assumption that Yato killed them for fun, she should be experienced enough to know the blighting from the Shinki-God connection only transfers in one direction (direct contact aside).

It's one thing if she just wanted to kill him for vengeance and honor, but she very clearly thought killing him would "save" her Shinki somehow. She should know that's not how it works.

Kazu-kun · 2014-03-09, 13:48

^ That has nothing to do with being stubborn though.

Shadow5YA · 2014-03-11, 13:24

Does Yato's "father" really get reborn with his memories intact as Yato says, or is he just possessing another human?

I could understand the latter since Yato did it to Hiyori (poor Hiyori

), but there better be a good explanation if it's the former since no one else seems to be capable of that.

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Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	So uh... are capybaras going to be some kind of running joke in Shuuishuu? Last edited by Shadow5YA; 2014-03-06 at 23:18.

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coded321 He Who Games Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: the virtual world	Spoiler for funny part of chapter 40 raw: kazuma has been buying manga made by yato with bishamon as the main character. Some of the comics are ero mangas and bishamon beats the crap out of the both of them once she learns about it.

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Excorsism Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Chapter 40's pretty fun. Spoiler for Chapter 40 Summary: The chapter starts off with Yato killing evil spirits (ayakashi) in attempt to sell himself as a brand new fortune god. He does this in public at an intersection but no one pays him any attention. Scene shifts to Hiyori and Yato talking under a tree. He complains to her about how he won't get any business since no one notices him. Typically, he introduces himself which allowed people to recognize him but since he's just killing the evil spirits, people don't realize it at all. Yukine yells at Yato and asks him if he wants to sell himself or be a god of fortune. Yato replies with the latter and Yukine tells him to go buy him ice cream, . Hiyori notices that Yukine's been more strict than usual. Yukine talks to Hiyori while Yato is off buying ice cream. He tells her that he finally understands the meaning of his existence. Although he did gain some confidence after becoming Yato's divine weapon (祝の器, honestly still unsure about this word) and being told that he was Yato's guide (道標), he still felt empty about it. But earlier when Yato told Yukine to show him the way to becoming a god that can make people/Hiyori happy (chapter 39), he realizes the reason why he existed. Although Yato isn't fully convinced with how Yukine does things, he still goes along anyway which makes Yukine pretty happy about it. Yato comes back and surprises Hiyori with a cold bag of ice cream to her face. Yato says that he's really uneasy about their current situation because he doesn't know how long he has to continue killing the evil spirits and wonders if there's any point to helping people if they don't wish for it. Yukine screams at him that because he wants instant results that he always ends up failing to which Hiyori agrees. He tells him to just keep doing it. Hiyori tells Yato to think of it like this: If his current self was something built from what he did in the past, then that meant that what he did now will be connected to what he is in the future. That way, he can see himself being a fortune god quite naturally. Yato takes it to heart. Yukine also notes that his position with Hiyori is reversed. He immediately tells Hiyori to talk to him about anything whenever and Hiyori says sure. Scene shifts to Bishamon's place and Yato starts off with calling Kazuma scum for not buying the smartphone he promised him last chapter. Yukine and Kazuma stand off and Yato tells Yukine to break his glasses in. Bishamon says there's no way he'd win and they start fighting too. Hiyori asks the two standing off to stop them. Kazuma thinks to himself that it's important to think that you were the best at making boundaries and techniques but he says he wouldn't tell Yukine that. Yato asks the small Ebisu who's going to win and he replies with Kazuma to Bishamon's delight. Yato points at Kazuma and tells him not to get so cocky. Despite his appearance, he's actually someone who collects tons of pictures of Bishamonten. Yukine tries to bind Kazuma but he reflects it back. Bishamonten thinks Yato's referring to the picture she took with her entire family and Kazuma wants Yato to shut up. Yukine realizes that Kazuma was distracted since he actually had to guard against him and Yato continues to spill Kazuma's secrets out in the open.　 I'll finish the rest later. Can't really call this a summary either, it's way too long, . __________________

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Iron Maw Banned Join Date: Feb 2006	ch 17-19 Finally got around to reading these and I must say the last of been a pretty good set of chapters. I know some have said this arc ends at Ch 25, but it feels like we are already going to hit the climax in the next chapter instead. -Poor Yukine though. Certainly wasn't expecting that, but I don't think shinki can be killed that easily. However since they still feel pain, Yukine must be hurting unimaginably right now. But this shows how he and Yato have come to trust another from the first arc. -So it turns out Kazuma was the one who was actually behind the deaths of Vina's former shinki. Didn't think that the meaning in his name would have such relevance either. Yato back was surprisingly altruistic back then stories surrounding his background seemed to imply otherwise. He didn't take any compensation either and he essentially saved Vina's life. Unfortunately the later was too attached to her now phantomize servants to see that. And of course Yato's flippant attitude never helps matters. =\| Really though, Kazuma should have come clean with this sooner despite Vina's hotheadedness and the shame he would have endured. He owes her that much. -Hopefully Aiha will wise up realize if she really wishes fix her contamination and help she need to come clean. Of course this isn't all her fault, Vina hasn't attempted heed Kazuma's advice came to looking after the emotional needs of her shinki. -I wonder if Yato will really hold up Tenjin's condition about cutting his ties Hiyori especially since it won't solve her issue. Until there is a real solution will continue to get involved in affairs of Far Shore with or without Yato.

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Kazu-kun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	^ That has nothing to do with being stubborn though. __________________

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Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Oh good, one of the volume five 4komas actually addresses an issue I had with a character design. After the episode with Bishamon in the springs, I always thought how her hair was so long that someone could step on it

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tuckersister Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013	Are Bishamon and Hiyori on good terms now?

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Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Does Yato's "father" really get reborn with his memories intact as Yato says, or is he just possessing another human? I could understand the latter since Yato did it to Hiyori (poor Hiyori ), but there better be a good explanation if it's the former since no one else seems to be capable of that.