Nisemonogatari - Episode 04 Discussion / Poll

[teja208]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

He was the one who cut her hair, actually.

Cutting is one thing, but dying her hair as well?

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kanon

I think that just like everybody else in the series, she thinks Tsubasa is a better match for Araragi as well. She most certainly sees her as her biggest rival, one she admires and respects and at the same time fears -I think she has a bit of an inferiority complex towards her- so it's not surprising she immediately gave in to that threat. Of course she is making a big mistake, we all know the one she should look out for is the final boss, Nadeko!

Nah... The problem isn't the final boss, it's the true love: Hachikuji!

[Evil_Sephiroth]

Personally i "hate" Tsubasa...

It's a long time that I really don't like chilhood friend's type characters in anime, and meganekko too..

For me Hitagi is light-years ahead Tsubasa...

[Kusa-San]

Originally Posted by Evil_Sephiroth

Personally i "hate" Tsubasa...

It's a long time that I really don't like chilhood friend's type characters in anime, and meganekko too..

For me Hitagi is light-years ahead Tsubasa...

Same here. I don't like her at all. Hitagi is so much better and Shinobu too of course.

[Shikijin]

Originally Posted by Evil_Sephiroth

Personally i "hate" Tsubasa...

It's a long time that I really don't like chilhood friend's type characters in anime, and meganekko too..

Hanekawa was never a childhood friend, though. Araragi met her just some months ago, as narrated in Kizumonogatari. And she is not even a meganekko anymore

[solomon]

I like Tsubasa. Amittedly because she is so sharp, being with her would get kinda annoying sometimes (I know I am not the only one who thinks this).

Normally I don't like it when the ladies cut their hair, but Tsubasa's works here.

Hehe, Shinobu's a little vamp isn't she.........(DERP).......................too bad she looks like she's 8.

Nice little info dump of a ep although this reaffirmed how lucky I am that I didn't have younger sisters growing up. (If they get too big for their britches you can't knock some sense into them like you would your younger brothers).

[Evil_Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Shikijin

Hanekawa was never a childhood friend, though. Araragi met her just some months ago, as narrated in Kizumonogatari. And she is not even a meganekko anymore

meganekko is meganekko ^^

I know that is not a real childhood friend, but i recognize too similarities with normal childhood friends characters^^

[blakstealth]

Holy shit, this show is sick.

My head almost exploded when Shinobu finally came out and talked for once. She's such a badass motherfucker!

[Qilin]

I don't think I've ever had a favorite character in Bakemonogatari (Senjougahara acting all cute and vulnerable doesn't count!), but with the introduction of Kaiki last episode and with Shinobu finally running her mouth this episode, I'm willing to reconsider my choices.

But seriously, Shinobu seems to interest me most, personality-wise. This is partially due to her ambiguously helpful, yet condescending, attitude towards Araragi, as well as the witty banter (as with everyone else) between them. I don't know what role she played in Kizumonogatari, but I'm getting a few hints.

Kaiki, on the other hand, is likely the major villain. The black suit, the depressing lines, and that ominous gaze... he's definitely shaping up into something awesome.

[com_gwp]

With episode 3 and 4 Nisemonogatari finally found its stride for the rest of the season. Let's hope they don't stumble up the nice pace they've found now.

Also, anyone else getting spice and wolf vibes from shinobu? The way she talks and acts reminds me alot of Horo

[omimon]

Yes yes yes, finally, people understand why I love Shinobu so much and pander so much for her.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by omimon

She's not going to wear it anymore because it's too lame.

Then why did she wear it in the first place?

[zarqu]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Then why did she wear it in the first place?

It was mentioned that she thought it was "out of fashion". I can only infer that that kind of helmet was once fashionable. It could of course be that she didn't care what she wore while in her... flegmatic state.

[Evil_Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by com_gwp

With episode 3 and 4 Nisemonogatari finally found its stride for the rest of the season. Let's hope they don't stumble up the nice pace they've found now.

Also, anyone else getting spice and wolf vibes from shinobu? The way she talks and acts reminds me alot of Horo

Probably another masked reference.

But Shinobu have a lot less "dere" moments than Horo.

[Evil_Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by blakstealth

Holy shit, this show is sick.

My head almost exploded when Shinobu finally came out and talked for once. She's such a badass motherfucker!

Like this? XD

Spoiler for scene:

[Malkuth]

Originally Posted by Kanon

True, however I feel this arc took this to the extreme. Maybe my memory is just bad, but I recall the other heroines had significantly more screentime in their arc. Karen only had what? 5 minutes of screentime in 4 episodes. That's ridiculous.

Should I rant about the first half (the TV episodes) of Tsubasa's arc that made everyone fall in love with Hitagi

Originally Posted by teja208

Cutting is one thing, but dying her hair as well?

Dying

Originally Posted by omimon

Yes yes yes, finally, people understand why I love Shinobu so much and pander so much for her.

loli-con

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Evil_Sephiroth

Probably another masked reference.

But Shinobu have a lot less "dere" moments than Horo.

That's no reference. This kind of personality and speech style aren't anything new. The only point is that it is an archtype that doesn't stand out as much as other "dere" type.

[Evil_Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

That's no reference. This kind of personality and speech style aren't anything new. The only point is that it is an archtype that doesn't stand out as much as other "dere" type.

probably you have reason, but we must remember that we are talking about nisio.

And nobody can tell to us, for sure, that there isn't reference...

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Shikijin

What was left out of the light novels this time...

Spoiler for chapters 11-12:

-Araragi asked Senjougahara where she left his bycicle, and she told him she parked it right next to a dump site. Araragi was a bit upset at the way the Valhalla Combi treats his bikes. He still was gentleman enough to escort her home though.
-"I'm right" is really the first thing Karen said. The conversation starts here.
-When Tsukihi and Karen confront each other, Tsukihi gives in. And Araragi, like Senjougahara, was forced to apologize by Hanekawa. With this the power relationship is clear.
-Araragi states Hanekawa is the real thing, there is no fake in her. For him she is like a second mother.
-There was a rumor that Hanekawa's change in appearance forced the school principal to take resposibility and write a letter of resignation. For her it was just an "image change".
-When Araragi hears their sisters calling Hanekawa "Tsubasa-san" he is surprised because he didn't think they were that close to call her by her first name.
-It's Araragi the one who wants to pretend to be nice in front of Hanekawa. Shaft left out the subject, so the translators had no way to know.
-Since Hanekawa was collaborating, it became Feather & Fire Sisters. It's kind of like giving wings to a tiger (a Japanese metaphor meaning that someone powerful has become even more powerful).
-When Araragi is made to promise he won't tell anything to their parents, he actually thinks for him that promise is as easy to break as paper, he just gave in because there was Hanekawa.
-When Karen commented that her brother was taking a girl to his room, she was very delighted. Araragi thought "one day I'll kill you".
-When Araragi called Karen "huge sister" and Karen just replied with "little one", he thought her reaction was weak. Usually she would have sprung at him.
-Araragi avoided to call Karen and Tsukihi by their names because he got the habit as a kid to call them using the -chan suffix. I wondered how a translator could do this part without using honorifics. There was a small omission on CR subs: "a rhetoric trick to treat them as children".
-Araragi commented the remains of the handcuffs had become kind of like bracelets.
-Araragi presented Shinobu's entry in an RPG style: "Vampire A has appeared".
-Shinobu stopped wearing that helmet with googles because it was out of fashion and lame.
-The Fire Bee arised from an infectious disease in the Muromachi era. People didn't know what was the cause so they explained with the supernatural, and they ended up creating a kaii. Similarly it seems even vampires started as some kind of blood disease.
-Araragi thinks it's a great misunderstanding towards human culture to view Senjougahara as an average tsundere.
-Hanekawa first took Karen to a hospital. She was really helpful, but Araragi couldn't help but think she was the one that led Karen to Kaiki, so she's kind of like a "matchpump" (one who stirs up trouble to get credit from the solution).
-Araragi's parents think Karen has just a summer cold.
-Araragi realizes that for Shinobu the idea of calling people for help in case Araragi was doing something suspicious is part of a special education from Oshino.

Regarding the bolded, it actually was in the episode, albeit in obscure SHAFT style.

Araragi's "I'll kill you" thought actually showed as text across his eyes, and the subs did catch that. It was only for a brief moment though.

[Nochgo]

oh mai gah, what a pleasant surprise! Shinobu actually talked, and quite an amount too. I would've never expected her to have such a playful personality lol. I was so surprised that I forgot to delight in her naked loli body for a moment. SHAFT must have a thing for loli blond vampires XD. I also loved Shinobu's ka ka laugh.

Thumbs up to Hanekawa's new look. And, now we know why Senjougahara was so scared of Hanekawa. Fearsome indeed.