Kantai Collection -KanColle- (generic discussion thread)

[bhl88]

Episode 1 -> Episode 2 (weeks after the operation [though I'm surprise that she couldn't improve that fast....]) -> Episode 3 (day after Episode 3)

So it was quite a long time.....

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by whitecloud

so...any history expert that can predict see who they will sink next?

If any kind of prediction is made it would be helpful to know which operation's next. In any case, don't think they will go down the full history path. Otherwise by the end of the anime only like Nagato and Hibiki are left.

[Death Usagi]

Originally Posted by whitecloud

so...any history expert that can predict see who they will sink next?

I highly doubt they will 100% follow the history, but if I think about character traits and the follow-ups from this episode:

1. Mutsuki (death flag from this episode also from all the development)

2. Akagi (Death flags all over her due to OP, promotional poster, and type of character towards the MC)

That's all I got for now. Need to watch the anime more and see how the story will flow before seeing if other characters have death flag. Frankly speaking other than the two mentioned above, rest didn't get that much development to speculate who will die or is a candidate. Fubuki is exempted since she is the MC.

[Poodicus]

@Whitecloud

Depends if the Abyssal are supposed to be the Allied Forces, and despite them denying it, the creators showing their imperial-nationalist pride.

Other than that, it looks like the next battle would be the Battle of the Coral Sea that saw major Japanese casualties, resulting in the sinking of the "Shoho" light-aircraft carrier. Right after that was the Battle of Midway, would spell the beginning of the end of the Japanese Imperial powers in the Pacific, resulting with losing four of their major aircraft carriers (Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, and Soryu) and one heavy cruiser (Mikuma).

Makes me wonder though, because it's obvious that they want to show other ships as well. Two I'm interested in are the German "Bismarck" and "Prinz Eugen" (The former being sunk pretty much 9 months after it was commissioned trying to break through the Atlantic Ocean and attack Allied ships by launching in Poland and going through the North Sea. The latter would survive the war, only to be used for Atomic Bomb testing and would capsize as a result.)

[rladls2121]

But this episode is just too effective.
Kisaragi, the character, sinking is something the fans did not want.
Fans bad mouthing Admiral or the creator for this performance.
It greatly catches attentions to have interest in this series as a whole.
More people will grow into it, mostly in Japan.

Speaking of history, of course some people from the beginning suspects Japan is trying to show war in the Pacific is the right thing to do.
That's one of their ways of beautifying their country's militarism after all.
Just see the female characters, just because they are based on some battleship names.
Wait, are you kidding?
Are these females even human?
Is Admiral even human?
Are these females no different from the monster looking creature with big teeth?

The one biggest question is why World War II ships and planes of all things?

[Ithekro]

Well I did say that a sinking would probably need to happen to secure the fact that the enemy is a real threat. If all the girls got was their clothing ripped and they sat in the bath for half a day or more to be fixed, than the enemy isn't a threat.

It is like having a villian that is suppose to be extremely dangerous and a murder yet never managed to kill anyone in a series. They are either always stopped, or just never manage to get far enough before the hero stops them in whatever plot they cooked up that week. It makes the hero look good, but also means the hero is never really in danger, nor is the villian all that threatening.

Now having the villian just up and kills someone that the audiance has at least some small attachment to in a sudden way, that makes the villian a threat and possibly put the hero's life in danger, even if you know there is really no way they would kill off the hero because it is an ongoing show. It makes it possible that others might die, and gives the hero motivation to stop the villian before they can kill more friends.

Having a shipgirl sink makes the threat to Fubuki and the others real. While Fubuki will probably be alright since it is her story (probably at least), it makes it so she has to make sure no one else gets sunk, and that should be hard. The enemy has taken over the seas and driven humanity from the water. The shipgirls are the only hope. Yet if the shipgirls were immune to sinking, than why would the enemy be a threat? They would be annoying, if they shredded clothing all the time and equipment needs repairs, but that isn't a threat. It is an inconvenience. So someone had to die to make it "real".

[Benigmatica]

Episode 3:
Sad to see Kisaragi sunk unexpectedly... I guess Mutsuki will be devastated to hear that!

[Om Nerabdator]

i would say i was surprised but with all the death flags this episode had i didnt feel a thing lol

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Poodicus

@Whitecloud

Depends if the Abyssal are supposed to be the Allied Forces, and despite them denying it, the creators showing their imperial-nationalist pride.

Aha, and where exactly? There is strong indication that at least some Abyssals are kanmusus. And I don't think imperialistic-nationalistic creators would make a girl say this:

Right... If there can be another life for me after this one, I guess becoming something other than a warship wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Other than that, it looks like the next battle would be the Battle of the Coral Sea that saw major Japanese casualties, resulting in the sinking of the "Shoho" light-aircraft carrier. Right after that was the Battle of Midway, would spell the beginning of the end of the Japanese Imperial powers in the Pacific, resulting with losing four of their major aircraft carriers (Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, and Soryu) and one heavy cruiser (Mikuma).

We haven't had a Pearl Harbour. Shōhō and Mikuma in all likelihood aren't present in the anime.

[LoweGear]

In all honesty it wasn't Kisaragi's sinking that made me sad this episode. It was rather Mutsuki's ignorance of it and her hope in meeting Kisaragi again that was heartbreaking to watch.

Also, Akagi's Aesop lesson in this episode on paying back is so simply delivered, yet a very poignant one: it does in fact hurt to not have the chance to tell your loved ones what you wanted to say before it's too late, so better say it now than later.

[Sheba]

People who are seeing nationalistic and imperialist undertones and every unfortunate implications that come with those need to rewatch the episodes and lighten up. There is no allusion to the Emperor or Glorious Nippon. History have been loosely used as plot devices for drama. Lighten up, sit back and watch.

[rladls2121]

But the red dots, the red dots on the airplanes!
It is just too easy to misunderstand.
Why this sickness of mine cannot be cured?

Is it because of Fubuki?
Fubuki's motivation of getting stronger, looking up to and admiring seniors, being uptight in a meeting.
No matter how I see it, it just gives me that kind of feeling im not supposed to feel.

[Zangor17]

oh god episode 5 is the battle of midway. im kinda scared.

[Poodicus]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

Aha, and where exactly? There is strong indication that at least some Abyssals are kanmusus. And I don't think imperialistic-nationalistic creators would make a girl say this.

Originally Posted by Sheba

People who are seeing nationalistic and imperialist undertones and every unfortunate implications that come with those need to rewatch the episodes and lighten up. There is no allusion to the Emperor or Glorious Nippon. History have been loosely used as plot devices for drama. Lighten up, sit back and watch.

Oh, don't get me wrong (and I apologize if it came off this way), I'm simply saying that IF it was indeed going that way, and the creators of the anime were going the history route instead of focusing on making the game what it is (whatever that may be, never played it), then chances are it would possibly go that way (to a certain extent. If it was as Imperialistic-Nationalistic as people are implying, then chances are, NONE of the girls would sink, and the abyssals would show clearer signs of being Allied Forces).

That being said, I have said in another thread that I consider myself a historian before an anime fan, so for me, it feels kind of awkward watching a show about Japanese war ships, especially when some of those said ships were a result of America entering the war in the first place.

Now, if this was the "Barbarossa Card Game" that even Japan realized was a bad idea, THEN I would crapping all over it, and for good reason. As it turns out, this series is nowhere near that level (and quite thankfully so).

[Ithekro]

The basic problem with identifying if the Abyssals are Allied warships or not is that the locations picked for them are generally World War II operations that involved Allied ships. However the more humanoid Abyssals tend to resemble the Japanese based shipgirls that sunk in those battles rather than any Allied vessels (that tended to have not sunk in those battles). In the recent Midway based event, one of the bosses was based on a carrier. It was thought to have been Yorktown, but was probably based on Kaga, who was sunk there.

Historically speaking the next shipgirl to sink would be Kikuzuki which was another Mutsuki-class destroyer. Kikuzuki (who has not been show to be in the anime at this time) was torpedoed by aircraft from USS Yorktown in early May, at the start of Operation Mo, a few days before the Battle of the Coral Sea.

As for the red dot. It is on all Japanese military aircraft, even today. It is normal for a nation to have its insignia on their aircraft and sometimes ships. It isn't like this is an international force. This is a Japanese force.

[Xero8420]

Originally Posted by Death Usagi

I highly doubt they will 100% follow the history, but if I think about character traits and the follow-ups from this episode:

1. Mutsuki (death flag from this episode also from all the development)

2. Akagi (Death flags all over her due to OP, promotional poster, and type of character towards the MC)

That's all I got for now. Need to watch the anime more and see how the story will flow before seeing if other characters have death flag. Frankly speaking other than the two mentioned above, rest didn't get that much development to speculate who will die or is a candidate. Fubuki is exempted since she is the MC.

If the death flag on Akagi is true, then she would become Fubuki's Obi-Wan.

Btw, is the fallen ship turn into Abyssal real?

[Marcus H.]

That's a leading theory for the meantime. It also suggests a much darker plot: that the girls are stuck in an endless cycle of becoming an Abyssal and becoming a Fleet Girl through reincarnation.

[cloud04]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

That's a leading theory for the meantime. It also suggests a much darker plot: that the girls are stuck in an endless cycle of becoming an Abyssal and becoming a Fleet Girl through reincarnation.

oh those kinds of plots...the never ending cycle ones

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Xero8420

Btw, is the fallen ship turn into Abyssal real?

Never officially confirmed, but there are some indications. For example:

Harusame / Destroyer Hime

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Originally Posted by Klashikari

Actually, that's an insert song called 'Let's not say '"good-bye"'.

Did I get this right that the insert song is performed by a Kanmusu Special Fleet consisting of Akagi, Kaga, Zuikaku, Kongō, Shimakaze and Fubuki?

[Enternal]

Nooooooooo!!!!!

Then again, they just threw that flag all over the place. Still sad...

Anyway, this is quite a good episode as well. It may have started off slow but seems like we're getting a lot more serious now.

It's kind of funny but I never really was the type that is sensitive to so-called death flags. I mean, I did not even see it during Madoka. But this was so clear. Or perhaps I just finally gained the skills to see death flags...