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Mentar · 2009-01-11, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Spectacular_Insanity

Please tell me you are being sarcastic here. Acc. was anything BUT humble.

Oi! You might wanna recheck your irony meter! ^_^

serenade_beta · 2009-01-11, 20:27

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Originally Posted by frubam

How are they stupid? 3 of the 5 'villians' he fought didn't know of his ability, so it's obvious that Touma has a slight advantage in that the enemy can't/hasn't figured out his ability. Yes, Acc can throw beams and containers and such, but he probably has killed many of his opponents(the Imoutos) through direct touch, so it's obvious why he kept attempting to grab him directly. At the very last hit, was the first time Acc got a chance to touch him, which is why he looked so shocked. Now it would be stupid if Acc DID know Touma's power and kept charging toward him.

Pen (Index) - ...Well, not even human.
Hetare Alchemist - Couldn't stay calm, so he lost. He if stayed calm, he wouldn't have lost like that. The stupid lolicon.
Accelerator - He was already hit... He, being the smartest in the whole city, should have figured out the possiblity that Touma('s hand) could reach him past his vector bending shield, but the idiot conveniently was unable to figure this out and just charge directly.
Kanzaki/Stiyls - Not exactly expecting intelligence from these two anyways... At least Kanzaki.

KaneDragon · 2009-01-11, 20:42

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Originally Posted by serenade_beta

He, being the smartest in the whole city

Hmmm?

serenade_beta · 2009-01-11, 20:52

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Originally Posted by KaneDragon

Hmmm?

No narrations in anime=No wonder you don't learn this
I personally can't remember word for word, but it's something like this

Spoiler:

Seiryuu · 2009-01-11, 22:35

Accelerator was not stupid. He was a arrogant, sadistic, and bat crazy. A person can be a total genius, consciously recognize that a defense doesn't work, and still be so convinced of his own power and superiority that he thinks it won't matter. He must've at least figured that his power might work on Touma, if he actually managed to directly touch him. In other words, Touma has to keep hitting Acc over and over, but one touch and Acc could kill Touma so thoroughly that there'd be nothing left to bury. Obsessed with his own power, he couldn't conceive of the idea that Touma would be able to KO him before he'd ever get a chance to land a blow of his own. Moreover, throwing was somewhat less accurate(though not to the level of stormtrooper marksmanship), especially with a guy who knew how to handle a fight, so going straight for him was the most certain way to kill. More importantly to Acc though, I think, was the fact that a distance attack would rob him of the immeasurable pleasure of personally feeling the moment of Touma's death beneath his fingers, not to mention he wouldn't be able to produce the sort of carnage he likes so much. He couldn't bear to miss such a thing, especially since he was destroying the only challenge to his power. Finally, in his enjoyment of the game, he seems to have initially enjoyed the added thrill of being able to receive pain back. Even the idea of putting himself into a situation where he too may die was entertaining to his warped psyche.
I say Accelerator was smart, he just made a couple mistakes and missed a couple points of the guidelines to successful villainy: First, do not play with your enemy. If there's any chance he might be able to put up a fight, kill him immediately and find a more docile recipient for your sadistic games; Second, never, ever allow yourself to think for even a moment that you are "invincible", because you'll inevitable be disillusioned quickly; Third, get a thorough psych treatment to ensure that you have the ability to suppress your more colorful appetites.

OverFunk · 2009-01-11, 22:38

Good end. That guy really deserved to be punched hard. And it was delivered.

And as per usual, the bone they threw at us Index fans was delicious.

Looking forward to next week...

ZeroForever · 2009-01-11, 22:38

pretty much accelerator could calculate the localized wind vectors and redirect them in a precise enough manner to form plasma, this is like rain man level calculations min.

Accel. realized something was weird with touma but instead of just keeping his distance and experimenting to figure it out he goes with the method that touma already countered once... for someone thats super genious level it's one of those drama > logic moments that realistically shouldn't happen.

Alch. - pretty much what was said above, as stylis did mention what his ability was so he knew the general idea of his ability. though the anime didn't show very well how stylis helped with the mind screw byt super heating the air so the alch's bullets missed and made his think touma's ability was greater then it was.

Kanzaki - technically won the physical fight at least even if she lost the mental battle.

Index - he would have lost without help, and he still owned himself to stop a feather from hitting index after.

Stiyls - one of those arrogance = loss scene though realistically the abivalent heat from the flame if it was hot enough to melt the door handles the air should have been super heated enough to kill touma just by being in the area of the summon not even having to touch him.

Bordix · 2009-01-12, 02:27

Eclipse release rules! that was some HQ beating up.

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Touma wouldn't have been able to cancel the plasma ball. He can block Accelerator's power to change vectors, but there's nothing he can do about what Accelerator has already accelerated. The plasma is a real, indirect effect of Accelerator's power.

Ahh So, If it wasn't for Misaka + sisterS and cat's help, he could have eaten plasma and Loozz!

npcomplete · 2009-01-12, 02:35

lol, Brawling + Imagine Breaker > *

reminds me of Shura no Toki a bit

I find it surprising that none of the powers that be nor his companions and their colleagues with high level of abilities themselves express any real interest in Touma's phenomenon. After all, his hand can cancel out the most powerful attacks church/magic/alchemy/psi has to offer so far.

I wonder if they'll get into that after the next episode (ep16+, since ep15 appears to be the requisite beach/onsen break ep

), and if they'll explore the mysteries of the AI running the place.

jwai · 2009-01-12, 04:50

Just saw episode 14.

Spoiler:

MrTerrorist · 2009-01-12, 05:26

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Originally Posted by jwai

With 10,000 Misaka's still alive, does that mean Touma wins hands down for harem count?

It's actually 9968 sisters left.

Tokkan · 2009-01-12, 05:33

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Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

It's actually 9968 sisters left.

Uh, I'm pretty sure your numbering is off by one.

Misaka-#10032 is still alive, and 10031 Misakas have died. 20000-10031=9969. We could further discuss matter of the number remaining, but it would be spoilerous.

Seiryuu · 2009-01-12, 05:54

It has been said the boundary between genius and insanity is very thin. Accelerator's actions did make sense in one way: when facing someone he knows has some power that could threaten him, wasting time figuring out what it is and how it works could give the enemy enough time to come up with something even worse. That said, I don't think that occurred to Acc. Just like it never occurred to him that he could actually be defeated, even if he could be hurt.
Being super-intelligent does not make Accelerator like a computer, cold and analyzing. In the situation he was in, it seems only natural to me that any logical cautions were completely drowned out by his obsessive, sadistic desire to have his enemy die from his own hands.
Even as completely nuts as he was though, Accelerator DID in fact think pretty quickly of the fact that close combat wasn't the best option. It only took a few punches before he went back to distance attacks. After further proven that he wasn't accurate enough to kill with the speed he needed, he immediately went for a distance attack that was too huge to miss its target, and too volatile for Touma to risk releasing withuot letting Acc personally dispel it. Only after having that possibility removed did he get desperate enough to try for his normal coup de grac again. Rather than illogical, this seems to be a very good take on how the destruction of delusions and terror of the unknown can lead even the most intelligent mind to act rashly.

MrTerrorist · 2009-01-12, 05:56

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

Uh, I'm pretty sure your numbering is off by one.

Misaka-#10032 is still alive, and 10031 Misakas have died. 20000-10031=9969. We could further discuss matter of the number remaining, but it would be spoilerous.

Sorry about that, 9969 was the right number

. I had to check ep 13 to see what was Misaka 10032 was saying. So basically there are 9969 Misakas left... if you exclude Mikoto Oneesama and.... other variables.

jwai · 2009-01-12, 06:11

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Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Sorry about that, 9969 was the right number

. I had to check ep 13 to see what was Misaka 10032 was saying. So basically there are 9969 Misakas left... if you exclude Mikoto Oneesama and.... other variables.

Argh, details, details. That's still a lot of Misaka loving.

Sorrow-K · 2009-01-12, 07:57

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

Uh, I'm pretty sure your numbering is off by one.

Misaka-#10032 is still alive, and 10031 Misakas have died. 20000-10031=9969. We could further discuss matter of the number remaining, but it would be spoilerous.

Well, if they all turn up for the beach episode, maybe we can count them.

Forever · 2009-01-12, 17:17

Whoa 9969 misakas. Even if he bangs 1 per day, he will need 27+ years to complete one cycle. Though technically impossible as they possibly couldnt last that long.

NakedAngelX · 2009-01-12, 23:27

Pretty good episode consider how it actually made some sense how Touma defeated Accelerator. 2 things that didn't make sense, with Accelerator's speed Touma couldn't have reacted in time to use his right hand to punch him. And the morning part when Index came in, it turned into sunset in a split second haha, i Swear when sun comes up it won't create that effect.

But good episode, Touma finally kicked some butt without telling a whole story first.

Spectacular_Insanity · 2009-01-13, 00:34

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Originally Posted by Forever

Whoa 9969 misakas. Even if he bangs 1 per day, he will need 27+ years to complete one cycle. Though technically impossible as they possibly couldnt last that long.

LOL!!!

Ultimate Chicken · 2009-01-13, 04:17

Y'know, Touma could have just HELD ON TO Accelerator with his right hand, and beat the crap out of him with his left...

Just a quick note on why Touma "didn't" negate the stuff being thrown at him the way he negated Mikoto's Railgun coin when they first met.

Reduce a coin's speed to 0 and the coin just falls to the ground.
Return a vector of a huge flying piece of track rail to its original vector (velocity 0) and the same thing happens. The track rail falls to the ground.
But which is more scarier, a HUGEASS PIECE OF METAL falling before your feet or a coin?

I think the only reason why Touma survived all the crap being thrown at him in the first place is because he DID use the IB on those flying objects, even if the sound FX didn't trigger. (Another possible explanation: while he can negate the vector change, he can't negate MOMENTUM...)

It also explains a few things like why Touma doesn't try to negate the plasma. It's compressed air, and I think Accel says so. Negate the compression vector change and you get an explosion...

Quick note to author: Touma's amnesia is no excuse to avoid any plausible explanation, kthx <_<

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2009-01-11, 22:38	Link #66
OverFunk It will never be the year Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 36	Good end. That guy really deserved to be punched hard. And it was delivered. And as per usual, the bone they threw at us Index fans was delicious. Looking forward to next week... __________________ Never forget

2009-01-11, 22:38	Link #67
ZeroForever Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: all and none	pretty much accelerator could calculate the localized wind vectors and redirect them in a precise enough manner to form plasma, this is like rain man level calculations min. Accel. realized something was weird with touma but instead of just keeping his distance and experimenting to figure it out he goes with the method that touma already countered once... for someone thats super genious level it's one of those drama > logic moments that realistically shouldn't happen. Alch. - pretty much what was said above, as stylis did mention what his ability was so he knew the general idea of his ability. though the anime didn't show very well how stylis helped with the mind screw byt super heating the air so the alch's bullets missed and made his think touma's ability was greater then it was. Kanzaki - technically won the physical fight at least even if she lost the mental battle. Index - he would have lost without help, and he still owned himself to stop a feather from hitting index after. Stiyls - one of those arrogance = loss scene though realistically the abivalent heat from the flame if it was hot enough to melt the door handles the air should have been super heated enough to kill touma just by being in the area of the summon not even having to touch him. __________________ the anti-thesis of myself

2009-01-12, 04:50	Link #70
jwai Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Age: 38	Just saw episode 14. Spoiler: That weird cacophony from Accelerator was a bit unnerving, but not really surprising given he's got a few screws loose. The massive amount of time to get that plasma going was pretty much his undoing, IMO. Looks like Misaka has enough emotions to be hitting on Touma like that. With 10,000 Misaka's still alive, does that mean Touma wins hands down for harem count?

2009-01-12, 17:17	Link #77
Forever Revealing the truth Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Age: 41	Whoa 9969 misakas. Even if he bangs 1 per day, he will need 27+ years to complete one cycle. Though technically impossible as they possibly couldnt last that long. __________________

2009-01-11, 22:35	Link #65
Seiryuu Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	Accelerator was not stupid. He was a arrogant, sadistic, and bat crazy. A person can be a total genius, consciously recognize that a defense doesn't work, and still be so convinced of his own power and superiority that he thinks it won't matter. He must've at least figured that his power might work on Touma, if he actually managed to directly touch him. In other words, Touma has to keep hitting Acc over and over, but one touch and Acc could kill Touma so thoroughly that there'd be nothing left to bury. Obsessed with his own power, he couldn't conceive of the idea that Touma would be able to KO him before he'd ever get a chance to land a blow of his own. Moreover, throwing was somewhat less accurate(though not to the level of stormtrooper marksmanship), especially with a guy who knew how to handle a fight, so going straight for him was the most certain way to kill. More importantly to Acc though, I think, was the fact that a distance attack would rob him of the immeasurable pleasure of personally feeling the moment of Touma's death beneath his fingers, not to mention he wouldn't be able to produce the sort of carnage he likes so much. He couldn't bear to miss such a thing, especially since he was destroying the only challenge to his power. Finally, in his enjoyment of the game, he seems to have initially enjoyed the added thrill of being able to receive pain back. Even the idea of putting himself into a situation where he too may die was entertaining to his warped psyche. I say Accelerator was smart, he just made a couple mistakes and missed a couple points of the guidelines to successful villainy: First, do not play with your enemy. If there's any chance he might be able to put up a fight, kill him immediately and find a more docile recipient for your sadistic games; Second, never, ever allow yourself to think for even a moment that you are "invincible", because you'll inevitable be disillusioned quickly; Third, get a thorough psych treatment to ensure that you have the ability to suppress your more colorful appetites.

2009-01-12, 02:35	Link #69
npcomplete Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	lol, Brawling + Imagine Breaker > * reminds me of Shura no Toki a bit I find it surprising that none of the powers that be nor his companions and their colleagues with high level of abilities themselves express any real interest in Touma's phenomenon. After all, his hand can cancel out the most powerful attacks church/magic/alchemy/psi has to offer so far. I wonder if they'll get into that after the next episode (ep16+, since ep15 appears to be the requisite beach/onsen break ep ), and if they'll explore the mysteries of the AI running the place.

2009-01-12, 05:54	Link #73
Seiryuu Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	It has been said the boundary between genius and insanity is very thin. Accelerator's actions did make sense in one way: when facing someone he knows has some power that could threaten him, wasting time figuring out what it is and how it works could give the enemy enough time to come up with something even worse. That said, I don't think that occurred to Acc. Just like it never occurred to him that he could actually be defeated, even if he could be hurt. Being super-intelligent does not make Accelerator like a computer, cold and analyzing. In the situation he was in, it seems only natural to me that any logical cautions were completely drowned out by his obsessive, sadistic desire to have his enemy die from his own hands. Even as completely nuts as he was though, Accelerator DID in fact think pretty quickly of the fact that close combat wasn't the best option. It only took a few punches before he went back to distance attacks. After further proven that he wasn't accurate enough to kill with the speed he needed, he immediately went for a distance attack that was too huge to miss its target, and too volatile for Touma to risk releasing withuot letting Acc personally dispel it. Only after having that possibility removed did he get desperate enough to try for his normal coup de grac again. Rather than illogical, this seems to be a very good take on how the destruction of delusions and terror of the unknown can lead even the most intelligent mind to act rashly.

2009-01-12, 23:27	Link #78
NakedAngelX Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Canada	Pretty good episode consider how it actually made some sense how Touma defeated Accelerator. 2 things that didn't make sense, with Accelerator's speed Touma couldn't have reacted in time to use his right hand to punch him. And the morning part when Index came in, it turned into sunset in a split second haha, i Swear when sun comes up it won't create that effect. But good episode, Touma finally kicked some butt without telling a whole story first. __________________

2009-01-13, 04:17	Link #80
Ultimate Chicken Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	Y'know, Touma could have just HELD ON TO Accelerator with his right hand, and beat the crap out of him with his left... Just a quick note on why Touma "didn't" negate the stuff being thrown at him the way he negated Mikoto's Railgun coin when they first met. Reduce a coin's speed to 0 and the coin just falls to the ground. Return a vector of a huge flying piece of track rail to its original vector (velocity 0) and the same thing happens. The track rail falls to the ground. But which is more scarier, a HUGEASS PIECE OF METAL falling before your feet or a coin? I think the only reason why Touma survived all the crap being thrown at him in the first place is because he DID use the IB on those flying objects, even if the sound FX didn't trigger. (Another possible explanation: while he can negate the vector change, he can't negate MOMENTUM...) It also explains a few things like why Touma doesn't try to negate the plasma. It's compressed air, and I think Accel says so. Negate the compression vector change and you get an explosion... Quick note to author: Touma's amnesia is no excuse to avoid any plausible explanation, kthx <_<