2006-04-23, 11:05
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Divx4 never really caught on and xvid pretty much stole divx5's momentum. A lot of groups stuck with good old fashioned SBC divx 3.11a until 2003 (I know I did.)
So none of the really old timers frequent this forum, huh? I'm curious what it was like in early 2000. -Tofu |
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2006-04-23, 13:53
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Maryland, USA
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I've been around a -long- time, but not in digisubbing... I have memories of, very long ago, re-encoding PlayStation video game openings to Indeo. The release of VirtualDub and DivX3 were an incredible breakthrough. (Keep in mind these were not the VDub and DivX of today - VDub was incredibly crash prone to the point that you would often have to start an encode over up to three times because it would bring up that core dump error dialog for no apparent reason late into the encode, and DivX itself had all sorts of strange visual errors, even worse than the ones that still persist in 3.11alpha. I later actually began encoding with a simple patch of the original MS MPEG-4 V3 codec to get around these issues.) But before these came out, I don't think digisubbing was really feasible, and it was far more common to see analog captures of VHS fansubs released as ASF or RM. (Thankfully VIVO was on its way out and I never had to deal with it.) My first real involvement with a subtitling group was actually HQA - I started by helping edit a few of the early Hand Maid May episodes (the first true digisub I ever watched was their episode 1, encoded in VDub with the old Enforcer subtitle plugin). I believe my only significant contribution to the group was my share of the work on releasing the Zone of the Enders 2167 Idolo OVA. I was around for a few of the Noir and Iketeru Futari releases, but in May of 2001 we parted ways due to some significant differences in opinion. (We'll just leave it at that.) This is actually the date that I attribute as HnK's formation, as I took a few of my personal projects with me as I left. Unfortunately, none of these ever came to fruition. As for the network HnK was located on - we started out with having an EFnet and DALnet presence. The EFnet presence was a given - it was the IRC network I had been with for many years at that point, and I was still running a fairly decently-sized channel administration botnet at the time (the type that existed in sheer numbers of bots only to prevent mass deop and netsplit hack attacks), so holding a channel in a network without services was not an issue. I don't entirely recall why we had a second channel in DALnet - but it was empty and unused to the point that it really served no purpose, even before the mass group exodus to EnterTheGame. It was shortly before our first release of a full episode (Final Fantasy: Unlimited episode 1) in October 2001 that we decided to set up a channel there as well. After a while, it was clear that most users were in ETG and that spreading our IRC fserve-based distribution between three networks was unwise, so we ended up moving everything to ETG, and we've been there ever since.
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2006-04-23, 14:12
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2006-04-23, 19:55
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Yeah... P-A and SSX weren't fansubbers. They were DVD rippers. Trust me on that. After looking at that list and realizing I was around during that time, especially before the big 'avi craze'... Good lord, I've been in the scene way to long. Hopefully after my last project, no more of this... Wait a minute, I said the exact same thing last year... and the year before... 
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2006-04-23, 22:32
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1) -- Hikari no Kiseki: Pita-Ten Episode 04 Opening --
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1) Line changes to a lighter color to create a feel of fade away.
2) Line fades away "word by word" from left to right instead of the whole thing fades away at once.
How it is done:
1) Via {\t(<t1>,<t2>,\1c&H????&)} from the original style/color
2) Via multiple {\t(<t1>,<t2>,\clip(<x1>,<y1>,<x2>,<y2>)} for each line. The box shrinks after each segment is deleted, since the words within the box are preserved, if the box shrinks from the left to the right, the appearance of fading from left to right is created.
Done First By: Jasconius (Before 5/07/2002)
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2006-04-24, 01:19
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I should note that the effect is -much- simpler than you made it out to be. o.O I think a \t was used to get rid of the outline, but a simple \K was all it took to accomplish the wipe (with the target karaoke color having a transparent alpha value).
I should also note that I actually referenced your FAQ extensively as I worked on the last few eps of PitaTen, as neither Jasconius nor oishii were available to finish the remainder of the styling work. I've probably forgotten everything I've learned from it by now, but your work certainly came in handy. =p
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2006-04-24, 20:51
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devilray flipping out after "not E-F" releases vandread season 2 before E-F"
This oughta bring back memories  -Tofu |
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2006-04-24, 22:14
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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I remember back in 2000 or 2001 when e-f and animeco were still on elite-orbit and the server died. That's when animeco went to etg and e-f went to efnet. This was around the time animeco was stubbing tales of .... can't remember the name but around then.
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2006-04-24, 22:28
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2006-05-05, 07:53
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I can probably give a bit of a different perspective here, at the risk of bringing back a topic no one has had anything to say about in a week or so. Tofu will probably appriciate this, unless I'm confusing him with someone else.
My memories of the formations of digisubbing are quite different. I started fansubbing in 97 or 98, and did a few releases, most notably a little Wedding Peach and most of Sailor Moon R, neither of which I can stand to watch today (they stand out, if you've seen them, because I used a really big font rather buy than new glasses, because I bought a used genlock from someone in Hooseki for $300). Digisubbing changed everything, and it lead to a renewed debate in our little world on the ethics and morality of fansubbing. We were a tight little community, and I'd estimate maybe a third of the old-school fansubbers were present, some big names, some small. So this debate raged on. Endlessly. We were old and set in our ways, so a lot of us didn't like this new technology at all. Some people embraced it and trasitioned from doing VHS fansubs with genlocks to doing digital subs. Some of us thought it was akin to blasphemy, and that fansubs and warez would become the same thing in the eyes of the public. Some of us (and this is the camp I fell under) just thought the debate was better left to people more interested in arguing it at that point, we thought "hey, when we started this, we were watching 11th generation fuzzy VHS copies of Kimagure Orange Road, now they're going to release it on DVD, so let's pat ourselves on the back and go try to get laid for a change." There were rifts, fights, and uncertainty everywhere. Groups dissolved left and right, the genlocks that we had centered our lives on were unceremoniously dumped in closets or tossed out with old pcs (mine is shoved under my dresser with my dreamcast and PS1), pet projects were abandonded (Though right now, today, a big thank you to those first digisubbers for saving me something like $1500 on the Minky Momo and Miracle Girls LDs I was going to buy, paid for a semester in college), and tapes and scripts got chucked a few at a time all over. A lot of people moved on to different things. As I understand it, one former fansubber now makes a very good living selling sex toys after giving up fansubs because of digisubs. Of course, he was always a pervert. But one thing is for sure, digisubbing changed everything. And a LOT more people watch anime today then did 10 years ago, so I'd have to say it's been for the better. And it brought a lot of new blood into the hobby. It removed the entry barriers. Instead of hundred or thousands of dollars being spent just to get into fansubbing, you can use free programs and download tv rips or dvd rips and do all the work on your existing hardware. Which is a great thing. Also, I don't see anyone shelling out cash to translators, which was a pretty common practice back in the day that always irked me. I may be going off topic a bit here, and I may sound like and old fart, but you guys have great toys to play with now. I've been playing with Miyu recently, and it is leaps and bounds above anything I had when I was a fansubber. Karaoke effects and the seemless graphics for things like signs never cease to amaze me. It's just a great thing. So that's my contribution to the history of digisubs, the end of VHS subbing. In the end, our time was over, and your time was (and really, is) just starting. And even with all the politics and drama and everything (and don't let anyone tell you it's anything new), you've expanded the hobby. In a lot of ways, us old-timers created the hobby you came into, and in a lot of ways, you have far surpassed us. And sorry if I went on a bit, just suddenly got all nostalgic. |
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2006-05-05, 16:29
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I remember when digisubs first started coming out, we weren't at all interested since it was all the standard shounen stuff like Vandread and Love Hina, plus the quality (translations, video, etc.) was poor, too poor to show at a club meeting. Most people loved the idea of online distro since it kept the subs truly free, rather than the crooked distros of the time ($44. for 6 VHS tapes), and online distro was nothing new, it had been around since 1997 or so with sites like lunaarts and animedownload.net. Once a 'new batch' of groups like HnK and AnimeCo appeared, groups that weren't just subbing popular shounen stuff, people were more willing to accept it. For a while, some of us were swapping / trading scripts with digisubbers, so they could distro our stuff online and we could show their stuff at our meetings. I don't remember any big holy wars or debates, most of the subbers in the club were technical people to begin with, understanding that technology changes and you either change with it or get left behind. |
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2006-05-05, 20:02
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I used a PC (And on my very last VHS sub, a mac), I forget which group used which equipment, though. There was a mix of PC and Amiga that favoered Amiga.
And the free idea of online distribution stopping crooked distro did come up. There was always the rumor that one group who shall remain nameless had bought a house by fansubbing Kenshin. So there was a lot of debate at the time about that versus the impact of digital distribution on the North American market. We eventually came to the conclusion that, for the most part, we don't care anymore, it wasn't our problem now. |
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2006-05-06, 02:37
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Those were the days  If i recall correctly the encoder for not E-F was held only in a slightly higher regard to devilray.  not E-F never finished releasing it did they? I seem to recall them making it up to 10 or 11. Quote:
My memory is probably fuzzy on that one too but it was the encoder who added those comments in and i heard later that they got given quite a bit of flak for doing it. Or I could be wrong... it's been so long
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2006-05-06, 08:30
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2006-05-06, 11:04
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2006-05-07, 10:30
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Maybe I got it wrong then but i always thought the encoder was someone who went by the name of Himura? I'm pretty sure he was an encoder too or was he just distro for this particular project. It's been along time ^^;; |
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2006-05-07, 13:30
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I know devy hated Himura and practically everyone from AI and most efnet groups with a passion.
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