Edge of Tomorrow (2014)- Tom Cruise

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Spoiler for spoiler:

is there any elaboration as to why a high ranking desk jockey would randomly be ordered to do PR stuff on the front lines? I'd think the army would already have plenty of combat correspondents.

Spoiler for reason:

The General wants good PR on himself since Cage points out he's sending thousands of soldiers lives to their deaths in Operation Downfall so he want's Cage on the frontlines to record the fighting of the UDF heroically defeating the Mimics so the public won't think of the General as some General Ripper. Furthermore, the General thinks the operation would be easy since the UDF till then has been gaining momentum in defeating the Mimics so he doesn't see any problem in sending Cage.

[ImperialKnight]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

Thank guys.

Some of my friends actually said they will prefer if the movie ends 5 minutes earlier, which i kinda agree with. What's about you guys?

Nah I disagree with that.

I don't think the general audience would've gone for that and this movie is a stand-a-lone one, not something you'd make a sequel out of.

What people seem to forget is that the Japanese have very very different tastes and ideas than western audiences do. Honestly I preferred this ending because

Spoiler:

Cage literally spent a year in hell fighting and to have it end on him not winning the war would feel empty. Had he stayed dead? I dunno, generally speaking Hollywood movies have very few movies where the hero dies. To have him dead wouldn't feel great either. I don't know why people keep saying movies should end on tragic notes all the time and pump their chests like it makes them feel big.

Do we still need spoilers? I mean the movie is out.

For me the movie was really good and it was funny how they worked out his deaths but it makes sense though. I mean killing the guy 1-2 times is brutal but then after that you get de-sensitized so the movie starts glossing over the majority of them (not like we need to see the detail of each one). The pacing was good too because something where you keep repeating the same scenes you can easily lose focus.

I wish though they showed more of the beach battle but I guess you take what you get.

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by ImperialKnight

Nah I disagree with that.

I don't think the general audience would've gone for that and this movie is a stand-a-lone one, not something you'd make a sequel out of.

What people seem to forget is that the Japanese have very very different tastes and ideas than western audiences do. Honestly I preferred this ending because

Spoiler:

Cage literally spent a year in hell fighting and to have it end on him not winning the war would feel empty. Had he stayed dead? I dunno, generally speaking Hollywood movies have very few movies where the hero dies. To have him dead wouldn't feel great either. I don't know why people keep saying movies should end on tragic notes all the time and pump their chests like it makes them feel big.

Spoiler for Ending:

Cause I think Brave Heart have amongst the best movie ending of all time...

In fact very few movie had a good sacrifice ending. I probably won't be able to count to 5 off my head right now

[LightDragonman]

So what are the chances of there being an anime adaptation of All You Need Is Kill now?

[ImperialKnight]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

Spoiler for Ending:

Cause I think Brave Heart have amongst the best movie ending of all time...

In fact very few movie had a good sacrifice ending. I probably won't be able to count to 5 off my head right now

That's not what I meant.

What I meant was the way some people prance about a certain type of ending and that somehow it makes them feel superior.

[Mr. DJ]

Movie was much better than expected. Though I'm kind of "eh..." on the end battle when there was a bunch of minions coming down on Rose and Cage but never broke through.

The actual ending was fine IMO, because after all that work, it would have been rather fucked up to just end the movie after the final fight.

[germanturkey]

just watched it tonight. bought a $16 ticket for RGX, since i didn't know what that meant. haha. turns out its like iMAX for Regal. what a good movie to watch in such a format. i was a fan of it. they kept most of the original shell of the story, but transformed what they needed to fit their new premise. the ending, while original, was good for a hollywood movie. i don't think the general audience would have liked the novel ending.

of course they had to cut out development and events, but there were a few references they threw in that i liked. the part i miss the most was the back story of Rita which they pretty much cut out completely and how the process is completely emotionally draining (save for one iteration). i also wasn't a fan of how it never seemed like Rita and Cage got better. yes, they showed him in training, but the part where they were planning the battle seemed to me like they were trying to memorize everything. in the novel, they became super adept soldiers, and their movements out of suit reflected that.

anywho, great movie. definitely one to watch.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Spoiler for reason:

The General wants good PR on himself since Cage points out he's sending thousands of soldiers lives to their deaths in Operation Downfall so he want's Cage on the frontlines to record the fighting of the UDF heroically defeating the Mimics so the public won't think of the General as some General Ripper. Furthermore, the General thinks the operation would be easy since the UDF till then has been gaining momentum in defeating the Mimics so he doesn't see any problem in sending Cage.

Which is a terrible reason to send him. They have embedded people and stuff. All Cage's work so far had been way at the back, where he should have stayed and managed the story. That's his job, that's what he's good at. Sending him to get shot at (or whatever Mimics do) makes as much sense as sending an accountant to the front because you want to track expenses better.

It's also terribly hypocritical of the general to do it when he sent his secretary's son out of danger. Cage may be cowardly and douchey, but he did necessary work for the war effort, and did it well. And that's his reward?

(Not even that bad a guy, really. When he first started looping, he tried saving people instead of just himself.)

Originally Posted by germanturkey

i also wasn't a fan of how it never seemed like Rita and Cage got better. yes, they showed him in training, but the part where they were planning the battle seemed to me like they were trying to memorize everything. in the novel, they became super adept soldiers, and their movements out of suit reflected that.

Agreed. The point was to use the loop to become incrementally better. Here he was suck-suck-suck-...-suck-super(-ish) soldier.

[ImperialKnight]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Which is a terrible reason to send him. They have embedded people and stuff. All Cage's work so far had been way at the back, where he should have stayed and managed the story. That's his job, that's what he's good at. Sending him to get shot at (or whatever Mimics do) makes as much sense as sending an accountant to the front because you want to track expenses better.

It's also terribly hypocritical of the general to do it when he sent his secretary's son out of danger. Cage may be cowardly and douchey, but he did necessary work for the war effort, and did it well. And that's his reward?

He's a general. He can do whatever he wants no matter how hypocritical it is.

The guy figured it'd be smart to send over 10,000 men onto a beach with just satellite recon....

Agreed. The point was to use the loop to become incrementally better. Here he was suck-suck-suck-...-suck-super(-ish) soldier.

No he was pretty good and dominating on the battlefield. I mean he was able to go from the Beach all the way to the dam by himself. The issue was trying to ensure that both he and Rita could get there together.

it's like playing a video game. You want to reach the boss perfectly but something always happens that causes you to suffer that set-back no matter what you do.

This brings to the next problem. No matter how good they were they're running on limited ammo/power so by the time they even reach the farmhouse the suits were next to useless for them.

[germanturkey]

yes, he did become pretty good, but most of it came through memorization and running through all the possible scenarios. in the book, he legitimately became a super soldier, just like Rita did. the two of them could tear through the enemy lines, not because they knew what was going to happen when, but because they could fight. the monologues that they had to omit also exemplified this. like when he was fighting his squad mates in the movie, he closed his eyes because he knew what he was going to do. in the book, he actively dodged because his opponent's moves were so unrefined and slow. he even counted up the number of times he could have ended the fight.

[ImperialKnight]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

yes, he did become pretty good, but most of it came through memorization and running through all the possible scenarios.

So that 10-15 minute portion of the movie where Rita trains Cage continuously meant nothing to you?

in the book, he legitimately became a super soldier, just like Rita did. the two of them could tear through the enemy lines, not because they knew what was going to happen when, but because they could fight. the monologues that they had to omit also exemplified this. like when he was fighting his squad mates in the movie, he closed his eyes because he knew what he was going to do. in the book, he actively dodged because his opponent's moves were so unrefined and slow. he even counted up the number of times he could have ended the fight.

Even a super soldier can falter. Ever read Halo or Warhammer 40K? You have hardcore veteran super soldiers who could tear entire companies apart but sooner or later by blind luck or numbers they will fall. Besides it wasn't Cage that was dying it was Rita.

I know what you're saying though. In Asian cultures it's not rare of to have "one man" that can annihilate an entire army by himself. Western audiences probably not so much.

And besides, since we're talking about the novels wasn't it her strategy to loop once or twice to learn the layout of the battle and enemy position?

[Alchemist007]

Didn't read any material before seeing the movie. It was pretty enjoyable though. Anyone who has read the source material(s) want to compare them (particularly the endings)?

[germanturkey]

Originally Posted by ImperialKnight

So that 10-15 minute portion of the movie where Rita trains Cage continuously meant nothing to you?



Even a super soldier can falter. Ever read Halo or Warhammer 40K? You have hardcore veteran super soldiers who could tear entire companies apart but sooner or later by blind luck or numbers they will fall. Besides it wasn't Cage that was dying it was Rita.

I know what you're saying though. In Asian cultures it's not rare of to have "one man" that can annihilate an entire army by himself. Western audiences probably not so much.

And besides, since we're talking about the novels wasn't it her strategy to loop once or twice to learn the layout of the battle and enemy position?

i'm not saying they're infallible, but they were described in the book as tearing through enemy lines like a hurricane of axes. i took even more issue with Rita dying so much, because if she had looped 100+ times, her combat skills should be through the roof (and they were in the book). Keiji described himself as unable to comprehend her movements until fighting with her many times.

i believe Rita took 2 looks to solve a battle. one to see what would happen, where stuff was, etc. the second was when she eliminated the server.

I'll try to do a comparison between the book and the movie later. there were some issues i had with changes they had made, but i'm still incredibly happy with the movie.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by ImperialKnight

So that 10-15 minute portion of the movie where Rita trains Cage continuously meant nothing to you?

But that's the thing. He didn't look like he was getting much better until he had visions. Proficient, yeah, maybe, but only as an average soldier.

And besides, since we're talking about the novels wasn't it her strategy to loop once or twice to learn the layout of the battle and enemy position?

And that's another thing. In the manga (haven't read the novel), they couldn't rely on looping for every little thing. Because even a small change (let alone the fact that the aliens are also aware of looping) means that people will act a bit differently and it'll snowball from there. That shmuck wouldn't always get killed by the same crashing plane. They had to rely on their super-soldierness to adapt to the small changes.

[ImperialKnight]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

But that's the thing. He didn't look like he was getting much better until he had visions. Proficient, yeah, maybe, but only as an average soldier.

No near the end of the training he did get better, especially when Rita was watching him from afar and then she brings up about training him he says, "you already have."

And besides, the stunts he were pulling out at the beach aren't something you memorized anyways. Sure he knows their position but you still need the skills to pull them off.

And that's another thing. In the manga (haven't read the novel), they couldn't rely on looping for every little thing. Because even a small change (let alone the fact that the aliens are also aware of looping) means that people will act a bit differently and it'll snowball from there. That shmuck wouldn't always get killed by the same crashing plane. They had to rely on their super-soldierness to adapt to the small changes.

Yeah this movie it seems everything is locked though I wonder if it's just for pacing reasons.

That's the thing with movies you have a limited timeframe.

Didn't read any material before seeing the movie. It was pretty enjoyable though. Anyone who has read the source material(s) want to compare them (particularly the endings)?

Novel

Spoiler:

the manga/book has no resolution at all. The movie ends with Keiji becoming the new angel of death as he had to kill Rita to break out of the loop and the war continues.

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Spoiler for spoiler:

is there any elaboration as to why a high ranking desk jockey would randomly be ordered to do PR stuff on the front lines? I'd think the army would already have plenty of combat correspondents.

Spoiler for Answer:

It's because he's the high ranking PR desk jockey. Cage is the guy who's selling the war to the public, and the General wants to embed him along with the beach landing to really sell the war.

As for Brigham's stubbornness, I've got friends who've served who tell me that yes, there are officers just like him.

[LoweGear]

Saw this movie just now (paid P100 more for the non-IMAX 3D just so I can see it earlier), and it was actually worth it. It was

SAVE SCUM: THE MOVIE

People in the theater were actually busting their guts when the entire loop became a montage of all the different ways Cage died (the entire theater burst into laughter when he got run over by that truck trying to get out of his pushups ), and I heard at least one person say "Save Reload".

Movie has a very good pace, didn't feel like they wasted time on anything, and it was very enjoyable all throughout. I didn't mind the ending, since I had a theory on what just happened, and it was an ending I could live with instead of being a copout.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Saw this movie just now (paid P100 more for the non-IMAX 3D just so I can see it earlier), and it was actually worth it. It was

SAVE SCUM: THE MOVIE

People in the theater were actually busting their guts when the entire loop became a montage of all the different ways Cage died (the entire theater burst into laughter when he got run over by that truck trying to get out of his pushups ), and I heard at least one person say "Save Reload".

Movie has a very good pace, didn't feel like they wasted time on anything, and it was very enjoyable all throughout. I didn't mind the ending, since I had a theory on what just happened, and it was an ending I could live with instead of being a copout.

Saved-state the movie.

[Renegade334]

They should've [(re)re]named the movie "All You Need Is Grind".

[ImperialKnight]

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-d...ow-bomb-2014-6

What'd you guys think?

Despite getting awesome reviews the movie isn't doing so hot in the US.

It's a shame because it kinda gives more reason why Hollywood these days don't go for newer stuff and instead fall back on sequels or franchises.

They should've [(re)re]named the movie "All You Need Is Grind".

Pretty much was