Assassin's Creed Brotherhood

[Kyero Fox]

yea i cant belive how unbelivebly unfair multiplayer is.

[Jeffry2009]

I've learned that this game is finally out in Japan December 9th.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13133660

Featuring Voices by:

Tomokazu Seki - Ezio Auditore da Firenze
Junichi Suwabe - Cesare Borgia
Ayako Kawasumi - Lucrezia Borgia
Kazuhiro Yamaji - Rodrigo Borgia
Keiji Fujiwara
Toshiyuki Morikawa
Kaori Nazuka
Akio Otsuka
Aya Hirano

[Irkalla]

Originally Posted by Jeffry2009

I've learned that this game is finally out in Japan December 9th.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13133660

Featuring Voices by:

Tomokazu Seki - Ezio Auditore da Firenze
Junichi Suwabe - Cesare Borgia
Ayako Kawasumi - Lucrezia Borgia
Kazuhiro Yamaji - Rodrigo Borgia
Keiji Fujiwara
Toshiyuki Morikawa
Kaori Nazuka
Akio Otsuka
Aya Hirano

Omg, that is a great seiyuu cast!!!Makes me wish I could play the jap version XD

[-Sho-]

Finally out for PC vers. Yeah , i'm PC exclusive when i can't have the PS3
Have to finish DA2 first.

[Tiberium Wolf]

And I thought by the description that the crossbow was a sniper gun but barely is... a bit more range only :/

[Khu]

ANOTHER cliffhanger.

So. Gay. :/

[Laith]

As an FYI the Da Vinci Disapperance DLC is pretty good.

It fills the gap between Sequence 8 and 9 and gives a small hint about Desmond and where the next Assassin's Game could take place.

Also, it's rescuing Leonardo so why would you not buy it?

[Tiberium Wolf]

Damn the last battles in Rome are so lame. You can only use apple... wth? I had 1 of the target get outside of the playable zone... took ages for my assassins to kill him... Can't target with apple.

[Renegade334]

It's true that the three-four final battles preceding the final confrontation in Viana are kind of...repetitive - the only thing that changed IMHO is the number of allied participants and the geographical settings. The 'together for freedom' or whatever call was...particularly cheesy, too.

All in all, I quite enjoyed AC:B - lots of side quests and map portions to explore. Roma is indeed huge and full of things to restore, buy, invest in, etc. That's without mentioning the plethora of side quests (assassinations, Leonardo's Machines and the secret locations); I finally snagged Brutus' armor...but, holy guacamole, is it ugly. I far prefer the Drachen armor: at least it doesn't make me look like a mite-ridden thing that crawled away from an antique shop. XD

AI is definitely swifter to answer (it seems to me that the Agiles are harder to catch unless I start kicking them - and Ezio's guarding stance is less tolerant towards attacks coming from the rear) but Ezio's far more aggressive moves make up for it. Rooftop guards are quicker to notice and engage you, too, which is more realistic IMHO.


Two missions had me gnashing teeth, though:
- The Aqueducts (AKA Aqua Gear): catching up with the German Templar was no small feat, what with the fixed POV constraint that is automatically triggered in some areas - I kept jumping into thin air because the camera kept fooling me and I was too late to adjust my incoming move. It's also quite aggravating that the bloody Templar keeps shooting at me right when I'm ropewalking or tiptoeing on top of a narrow ledge.
- The flying machine: bloody hell is it cumbersome to maneuver around. The last part (the messenger riding away to warn Cesare) is particularly hard to catch unless you dive straight from the beginning and literally bomb him at a 90° angle. Long-distance shooting is a big no-no unless you've got the mother of all lucks.

Some challenges are...vexing - like in the Lairs of Romulus (the catacombs and the basilica rooftop chase), where it's hard to complete the memory in a fixed time frame...unless you have ALREADY done it and thus know where to go, what to do, etc. The catacombs were particularly...frustrating, since I kept running in circles.

Regardless, it was quite a fun game. I have yet to start the TDVD DLC, so right now, I'm still doing a few side quests (courtesan assignments, harlequin beatings, etc).

[Tsuyoshi]

So I've had AC Brotherhood for three days now and I have to say that it's really fun to play. As far as single player goes, I really like the fact that there's VR training now, and ironically, I ended up being able to handle myself much better with the hidden blade than anything else The game itself is really cool except that with all the side quests that you have to do, it's quite easy to lose track of what is happening with the main plot. It was much easier to keep up with the story in AC2. That's all I'll say about single player mode because truth be told, I've hardly gotten far enough into it.

The reason I haven't made a lot of progress on the single player mode is because the multiplayer mode has seriously gotten my attention. It's without a shadow of doubt one of the best things I've seen in any game. It's intense, you're always on your toes and you have to work pretty hard to get silent kills (particularly because most players I've encountered don't seem to care and run around quite a lot). The number of things you can do to customize your profile is amazing. It's definitely one of the best thought out multiplayer games I've ever seen, and the fact that there's virtually no lag in the game makes it that much better.

P.S. The Prowler is awesome.

[Tsuyoshi]

I'm gonna bump this thread For Great Justice.

I just finished the single player mode and WTF at the ending. No seriously, WTF!!!!

Spoiler for Ending:

JUNO, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO KILL LUCY!!! D= WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU????

Well, I can't say that cliffhangers at the end is something unknown in the AC games, and I really like the fact that the ending makes me want to get the next game on top of the fact tha it's just brilliant to play. I really wonder what the deal is with the Assassins now. It would seem they're more than just ordinary humans. This was already implied in the previous game for anyone who completed all the truth puzzles there. In one of them, Subject 16 says that the gifts of the Assassins run through the blood. What Juno said also implies it has a lot to do with the eagle vision (not very surprised by that tbh, tho irl there are people who claim to be able to see people's auras), and that this ability was in fact passed down from the same people as her. What's curious about Desmond himself is that Juno said he was birthed from their loins and their enemies. Something tells me the enemies aren't actually the Templars but something else entirely. My gut feeling says that there's a third party at work here, one much more in the shadows than anyone else.

That brings me to my next point about the guys who wanted to put Desmond back in the Animus after Lucy died. One thing I'm sure of is that those guys aren't Templars because one of them was reluctant to put him in the animus, and the other guy who wanted to put him in also sounded like he wanted to do it because there was no other option. I'm not sure if they are Assassins either however, although they could be, but I've got the feeling these two guys are the same ones that gave Desmond the passwords to the emails of the Lucy and the others (Erudito), the same guys in the mysterious van large enough for surveillance that Rebecca mentioned in her emails. If they were assassins, I would've thought Lucy and the others would've known them, and they wouldn't need to hide themselves from them. Either they're not assassins, and the truth is that Lucy and the rest aren't assassins, but Templars posing as them. This theory doesn't add up however because Desmond's Eagle Vision identifies them as friends so it's likely to be the former. Can't wait to see what answers the next game has to give.

Other than that, my initial stance on the gameplay of the story mode is the same. There's too many side missions to do that deviate you from the main quest. In that sense, I liked AC2 much better because while it also had abundant side missions, they didn't deviate you too far from the story. I didn't like the fact that you could only speak to Leonardo if you didn't purchase all his models either. While I enjoyed the single player mode regardless, I found AC2 much better in this respect.

The multiplayer still kicks ass tho, and it's what makes Brotherhood on the whole far better than its predecessors

P.S. The Mercenary is awesome.

[Renegade334]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

Spoiler for Ending:

JUNO, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO KILL LUCY!!! D= WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU????

Perhaps,

Spoiler:

she wanted Desmond to cut all ties with the Assassins and continue the conquest on his home. "ALONE", as she said. What better way to achieve that by alienating everyone else? It's not like the other Assassins mattered to her - just Desmond.

Spoiler:

What's curious about Desmond himself is that Juno said he was birthed from their loins and their enemies.

Yup,

Spoiler:

the sub-humans she and her race had enslaved but eventually rebelled and survived. It's possible there was an ACTUAL war between the two species - one that went beyond the mere jailbreak attempt that Adam and Eve made in AC2's Truth video.

Spoiler:

That brings me to my next point about the guys who wanted to put Desmond back in the Animus after Lucy died. One thing I'm sure of is that those guys aren't Templars because one of them was reluctant to put him in the animus, and the other guy who wanted to put him in also sounded like he wanted to do it because there was no other option.

Spoiler:

It's highly possible it's another Assassin team firecalled by Shaun or Rebecca - in the emails you can access every once in a while when you log out of the Animus you can see Shaun or Lucy conversing with a yet to be identified person, who seems to be a superior. In the Da Vinci disappearance, he also collects the location to another Vault/Temple/Artifact somewhere in the US...and it wasn't Warren Vidic. And so far there are only two factions that have Animus tech...and only one with Animus 2.0. Heck, there was even a written request to Desmond to explore the "recovered" memory, and only someone in the Hephaestus network could do that (the voices heard off-screen at the end of the tDVD DLC didn't belong to Shaun and Rebecca either, which means that Desmond might be in someone else's care now...especially since he was sinking into a deep coma).

Other than that, my initial stance on the gameplay of the story mode is the same. There's too many side missions to do that deviate you from the main quest. In that sense, I liked AC2 much better because while it also had abundant side missions, they didn't deviate you too far from the story.

You're perfectly free to skip the side missions - only a couple of them (the first Lair of Romulus and the Da Vinci machine gun) are mandatory in order to provide better coverage of the era's circumstances (the Church's plot to scare the Roman population and Leonardo's patronage by Cesare Borgia, respectively). Right now they only serve to supply the player with more opportunities to level up, find better equipment (parachute, Seusenhofer Armor which can only be unlocked if you find an ingredient in a Lair in order to fulfill a certain shop quest, the leaping glove)...as for the assassination contracts, they're kind of mandatory since they're the only way for the Assassin Recruits to improve and become both deadlier and more resilient. However, since you just send them on their way and do not interact with their mission, there is little incidence on the gameplay...unless of course you send all of them around Europe and leave no one to assist you.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by Renegade334

Spoiler for Ending:

she wanted Desmond to cut all ties with the Assassins and continue the conquest on his home. "ALONE", as she said. What better way to achieve that by alienating everyone else? It's not like the other Assassins mattered to her - just Desmond.

Spoiler for Ending:

That would make sense since the other Assassins hardly seem to have the same talents that Desmond does (parkour with the exception of Lucy to an extent and eagle vision), so it's unlikely they descend from the same assassins as Desmond does, but recruits picked up in the streets as seen in Brotherhood. The question is, what would Desmond be able to do alone? This makes me wonder as well what the role of the other two is at the end of the game because even tho she said he must go alone, he's still in the care of someone else.

Originally Posted by Renegade334

Spoiler for Ending:

the sub-humans she and her race had enslaved but eventually rebelled and survived. It's possible there was an ACTUAL war between the two species - one that went beyond the mere jailbreak attempt that Adam and Eve made in AC2's Truth video.

Spoiler for Ending:

Probably, and it sounds more feasible than what I was thinking considering Juno implied they gave some humans their abilities out of neccessity more than anything else.

Originally Posted by Renegade334

Spoiler for Ending:

It's highly possible it's another Assassin team firecalled by Shaun or Rebecca - in the emails you can access every once in a while when you log out of the Animus you can see Shaun or Lucy conversing with a yet to be identified person, who seems to be a superior. In the Da Vinci disappearance, he also collects the location to another Vault/Temple/Artifact somewhere in the US...and it wasn't Warren Vidic. And so far there are only two factions that have Animus tech...and only one with Animus 2.0. Heck, there was even a written request to Desmond to explore the "recovered" memory, and only someone in the Hephaestus network could do that (the voices heard off-screen at the end of the tDVD DLC didn't belong to Shaun and Rebecca either, which means that Desmond might be in someone else's care now...especially since he was sinking into a deep coma).

Spoiler for Ending:

I haven't played the DLC so I wouldn't have thought of that. I'm still curious about the guys in the van who gave Desmond their emails, however. Next game, I suppose. I should mention tho that it's unlikely it was a team firecalled by Shaun or Rebecca because earlier, Lucy mentioned they were on their own in Italy, and with Templars controlling the border, I would've thought it impossible another team would get to Italy so fast.

[-Sho-]

Funny , i just finished the game as well

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

Spoiler for Ending:

JUNO, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO KILL LUCY!!! D= WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU????

Well, I can't say that cliffhangers at the end is something unknown in the AC games, and I really like the fact that the ending makes me want to get the next game on top of the fact tha it's just brilliant to play. I really wonder what the deal is with the Assassins now. It would seem they're more than just ordinary humans. This was already implied in the previous game for anyone who completed all the truth puzzles there. In one of them, Subject 16 says that the gifts of the Assassins run through the blood. What Juno said also implies it has a lot to do with the eagle vision (not very surprised by that tbh, tho irl there are people who claim to be able to see people's auras), and that this ability was in fact passed down from the same people as her. What's curious about Desmond himself is that Juno said he was birthed from their loins and their enemies. Something tells me the enemies aren't actually the Templars but something else entirely. My gut feeling says that there's a third party at work here, one much more in the shadows than anyone else.

That brings me to my next point about the guys who wanted to put Desmond back in the Animus after Lucy died. One thing I'm sure of is that those guys aren't Templars because one of them was reluctant to put him in the animus, and the other guy who wanted to put him in also sounded like he wanted to do it because there was no other option. I'm not sure if they are Assassins either however, although they could be, but I've got the feeling these two guys are the same ones that gave Desmond the passwords to the emails of the Lucy and the others (Erudito), the same guys in the mysterious van large enough for surveillance that Rebecca mentioned in her emails. If they were assassins, I would've thought Lucy and the others would've known them, and they wouldn't need to hide themselves from them. Either they're not assassins, and the truth is that Lucy and the rest aren't assassins, but Templars posing as them. This theory doesn't add up however because Desmond's Eagle Vision identifies them as friends so it's likely to be the former. Can't wait to see what answers the next game has to give.

Spoiler for Ending:

"Subject 16 says that the gifts of the Assassins run through the blood. "

Yes , i think this is related to Lucy's execution.

There are a lot of hypothesis for Lucy's death.

- Juno & the ancients knew that in fact she was Eve's reincarnation but she went in dark side becoming an infiltrate Templar , a double agent in service of Abstergo.This theory is reinforced by the fact that in the end credits , we heard voice , possibly Vidic Abstergo seen in the first Assassin's Creed but we can suppose that it might be William too , one of the assassins read in some e-mails.


- Desmond have to free himself for all affinities he had with Lucy to become a superhuman as the chosen one.


- It's possible that the Ancients are the real bad guys and manipulate both assassins & templars to become again Human's masters.
In which case , Lucy is Eve's descendant , Junon killed her by controlling Desmond(Adam's descendant) to avoid that they get too much power.


- According to indications given by subject 16 , Lucy is clearly a menace without doubt a traitor. In Sequence 6,7 , she dissapeared and outside the villa , we can find with Eagle vision , red footprints (Templar's color) which get out of the villa.


- Finally , the last possibility is that Desmond didn't killed her or not yet , cuz Eden Apple allow the owner to display illusions or to see the futur but well...

Anyway , such a great game , i like it Mysteries , mysteries...
Looking forward for the next game.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Spoiler for Ending:

"Subject 16 says that the gifts of the Assassins run through the blood. "

Yes , i think this is related to Lucy's execution.

There are a lot of hypothesis for Lucy's death.

- Juno & the ancients knew that in fact she was Eve's reincarnation but she went in dark side becoming an infiltrate Templar , a double agent in service of Abstergo.This theory is reinforced by the fact that in the end credits , we heard voice , possibly Vidic Abstergo seen in the first Assassin's Creed but we can suppose that it might be William too , one of the assassins read in some e-mails.

Spoiler for Ending:

There were only the voices of those two guys who were gonna put him back in the animus, I don't remember Warren's voice. If it was an assassin, it may have been William but like I said, I find it highly doubtful it was a Templar because of the reluctance to put him in the machine.

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Spoiler for Ending:

- Desmond have to free himself for all affinities he had with Lucy to become a superhuman as the chosen one.

Spoiler for Ending:

Superhuman might be stretching it Dunno where that comes from iibh

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Spoiler for Ending:

- It's possible that the Ancients are the real bad guys and manipulate both assassins & templars to become again Human's masters.
In which case , Lucy is Eve's descendant , Junon killed her by controlling Desmond(Adam's descendant) to avoid that they get too much power.

Spoiler for Ending:

Maybe so, but the Ancients are gone from the world, so I don't really understand why they would want to be the masters of humans if they're already dead.

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Spoiler for Ending:

- According to indications given by subject 16 , Lucy is clearly a menace without doubt a traitor. In Sequence 6,7 , she dissapeared and outside the villa , we can find with Eagle vision , red footprints (Templar's color) which get out of the villa.

Spoiler for Ending:

Yes but the red footprints were there since the beginning so idk if that's the case or not. It could be a glitch in the game or perhaps she had gone out before already for what would seem normal business and her true intentions were in the open, so to speak. But red doesn't always mean Templars. The Assassin marks in the temple of Juno left by Ezio were also red.

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Spoiler for Ending:

- Finally , the last possibility is that Desmond didn't killed her or not yet , cuz Eden Apple allow the owner to display illusions or to see the futur but well...

Spoiler for Ending:

Very likely. This thought had crossed my mind as well tbh.

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Anyway , such a great game , i like it Mysteries , mysteries...
Looking forward for the next game.

Indeed I really can't wait for the next game!

[-Sho-]

^^

Ow , i totally forgot about the DLC which give us more details about the next game & the ending. I didn't pay attention to it , cuz you can finish the DLC while you're playing , start to sequence 2 and then i didn't understood wth was that but now i remember , that make sense...


So

Spoiler for DLC ending:

The voices were William and his partner , they took Desmond after he killed Lucy & put him back in the Animus.
They noted this indication 43 39 19 N, 75 27 42 W and said that they'll go there cuz it's about the destination for the next temple related to Eden Fragment.
You can google it http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...,11.876221&z=7 a mysterious crater in the forest , the next Assassin's creed could be there as we won't play Ezio anymore but probably a new descendant. Also people speculate , it's a big clue that the next AC will set during American revolution. Indeed , the crater is close to Saratoga where the decisive Saratoga's Battle took place in 1777 during the american independence war where France played an important role.
Well , it's a theory. Wait for more official info

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

^^

Ow , i totally forgot about the DLC which give us more details about the next game & the ending. I didn't pay attention to it , cuz you can finish the DLC while you're playing , start to sequence 2 and then i didn't understood wth was that but now i remember , that make sense...


So

Spoiler for DLC ending:

The voices were William and his partner , they took Desmond after he killed Lucy & put him back in the Animus.
They noted this indication 43 39 19 N, 75 27 42 W and said that they'll go there cuz it's about the destination for the next temple related to Eden Fragment.
You can google it http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...,11.876221&z=7 a mysterious crater in the forest , the next Assassin's creed could be there as we won't play Ezio anymore but probably a new descendant. Also people speculate , it's a big clue that the next AC will set during American revolution. Indeed , the crater is close to Saratoga where the decisive Saratoga's Battle took place in 1777 during the american independence war where France played an important role.
Well , it's a theory. Wait for more official info

Spoiler for DLC:

I like that theory. It'll also be very interesting to see the American Revolution "first hand" so to speak. Perhaps the crater was the reult of someone abusing the power of the POE. While I really love Ezio's character as well and kinda sad to see the story moving away from him, I'm also gleeful to play as someone new in the war of independence. Some of the Truth Puzzles implied the POE was present during the revolution after all.

Also, it does seem like the French played a pretty important role in most of the AC games They were certainly big in the first game with Robert De Sable, and then in Brotherhood with Octavian de Valois. Wonder if your theory is true and we'll see another famous French figure

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

Spoiler for DLC:

I like that theory. It'll also be very interesting to see the American Revolution "first hand" so to speak. Perhaps the crater was the reult of someone abusing the power of the POE. While I really love Ezio's character as well and kinda sad to see the story moving away from him, I'm also gleeful to play as someone new in the war of independence. Some of the Truth Puzzles implied the POE was present during the revolution after all.

Also, it does seem like the French played a pretty important role in most of the AC games They were certainly big in the first game with Robert De Sable, and then in Brotherhood with Octavian de Valois. Wonder if your theory is true and we'll see another famous French figure

Spoiler for reply:

Now that's interesting. If the next AC is indeed set during the American Revolution, i wonder if the Founding Fathers were Assassins, Templars or a mix of the two?

[Renegade334]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Spoiler for reply:

Now that's interesting. If the next AC is indeed set during the American Revolution, i wonder if the Founding Fathers were Assassins, Templars or a mix of the two?

Spoiler:

Well, when you know that some of the founding fathers were notorious members of Masonic lodges, you can only wonder...
Until now, the Assassins have never worn an Illuminati-like mantle, though the same cannot be said for the Templars.

It should also be noted that at the end of AC2B, Shaun notes the presence of a Phrygian cap (present on American currency) and a Masonic Eye (AKA the Eye of Providence, a symbol predominant in the Freemason lore and also present on US 1-dollar bill)...which means that, indeed, the focus could be shifting towards the American Revolution or the decennias that followed therafter (like the War of 1812, waged against the British), where monuments like the White House started dotting the landscape (if Ubisoft indeed chooses the US as next playground in line, they should try sometime AFTER 1812, after the erection of famous landmarks...otherwise the gameplay might not be as immersive as the ones in Italy).

Knowing that Freemasonry is a treasure trove of symbology, obscure history, secrecy and an icon figure in popular culture thanks to people like Dan Brown, I perfectly see Ubisoft making full course in that direction.

Though, for the sake of historical/cultural accuracy...

Spoiler:

I should also amend the earlier explanation by remarking that the Phrygian cap (a symbol of freedom) and the Eye of Providence are also present on the 1789 Revolution's Declaration of Human Rights, which means that the French revolution could be just as likely a destination for the Assassin's Creed franchise. After all, it's a time of great change (partially inspired by the success of the American Revolution) and upheaval (le Régime de la Terreur), graced and soiled by the presence of famous figures like Robespierre (himself a Freemason who unsuccessfully tried to create a religious replacement for God - the short-lived Cult of the "Supreme Being"), Bonaparte, Danton, etc.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Spoiler for reply:

Now that's interesting. If the next AC is indeed set during the American Revolution, i wonder if the Founding Fathers were Assassins, Templars or a mix of the two?

Spoiler for AC3:

Probably like the Barbarigo in AC2. Most of them were allied with Templars. You had Marco and Silvio Barbarigo both working for Rodridgo Borgia but you had Agostino Barbarigo working with the Assassins and became Doge di Venezia after Marco. I doubt the founding fathers themselves were Assassins or Templars themselves but related to either of them. I'm curious about George Washington however. He was the one who appears in the Truth Puzzles in AC2 carrying a POE, and the context under which he was presented implied he's a Templar. However, considering the motivations behind the colonists' intention to break away from the British Empire, it might be more likely he was related to, if not an Assassin himself and eventually got his hands on a POE the same way Ezio had. Who knows, we might even play as George Washington himself.