Fate/stay night Episode 17 Discussion thread

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by monstert

Now they're just a copy of a copy, which means they're even weaker, right?

Hmm, in a way you're right - what with Shirou seeing them before Archer's fight with Berserker.

Still, i really think Shirou should have clicked on about who Archer is.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Angelsama

Still, i really think Shirou should have clicked on about who Archer is.

If not him, at least Rin should, I'd like to think she is more observant than him.

[Alu]

Originally Posted by monstert

Now they're just a copy of a copy, which means they're even weaker, right?

Not exactly...

Spoiler:

Since Archer is indeed future Shirou.., this is probably the first time those blades ever existed.., this despite they beeing created by Archer previously when Shirou first saw them..

Thus starting an never-ending loop as of when the creation of the swords began.
I found no reference in the name of the swords of them beeing of any historical / mythical past.., so I take it, they are Archer's/Shirou's very own personal swords.
All this is pure speculation though.

Also.. for the path this is taking..

Spoiler:

I've always thought that the anime was leading in the "Fate" scenario.., or at least it clearly has alot more refences to it so far.

But with now Sakura taking the rule breaker from Caster leaves me compleatly at a loss.. Thus if Sakura takes the rule breaker, that means that Caster will not make a contract with Saber.

Altough as someone previously said.., since she is mind controlling Sakura.., it is possible that she gives her the rule breaker and makes her use it to break the contract between Saber and Shirou ?

So many things left on the open...
Dark Sakura is a possibility..., UBW is another and not to mencione the Fate ending regarding Ilya's role, etc.

Clearly it seems to be taking bits here and there from all 3 scenarios.., so.. I wonder what will happen next..

[PhantomX]

Well, it seems exciting either way. The only thing that would disappoint me is if they bring Archer back w/o bringing Rider back as well.

Either leave em dead, or bring em together!

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Alu

Not exactly...

Spoiler:

Since Archer is indeed future Shirou.., this is probably the first time those blades ever existed.., this despite they beeing created by Archer previously when Shirou first saw them..

Thus starting an never-ending loop as of when the creation of the swords began.
I found no reference in the name of the swords of them beeing of any historical / mythical past.., so I take it, they are Archer's/Shirou's very own personal swords.
All this is pure speculation though.

Actually someone said that those two swords were copies of a pair of chinese sword made during the Spring and Autum period. If I got the names correct then they created by a husband and wife pair and wife sacrifice herself by jumping into the furance or something like that so the husband can created his masterpiece.

How Archer ever got a look at that swords is beyond since they were suppose to be buried in tomb of the of Warlord form that period. The tomb is buried under a mountain and is rig to cave in if someone try to open the tomb.

[PhantomX]

If it's an open tomb, and he looks in the cave from the outside he should be able to, right (since he has good eyesight)? I know some old pharaohs used to put bejeweled weapons on top of their caskets (normally if they were mummified) :\

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by PhantomX

If it's an open tomb, and he looks in the cave from the outside he should be able to, right (since he has good eyesight)? I know some old pharaohs used to put bejeweled weapons on top of their caskets (normally if they were mummified) :\

It is not a open tomb. Chinese Tombs back then were built like a palace. The Tombs itself has been found for a long time but no one has gone inside it because no one has figure how to open it without triggering the trap.

[PhantomX]

Hmmm ... didn't know that. Good info. Though technically, if you think about it, a Master in an older war could've had spiritual mode archer go in and check them out, right? (Or can they not traverse walls?)

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by PhantomX

Hmmm ... didn't know that. Good info. Though technically, if you think about it, a Master in an older war could've had spiritual mode archer go in and check them out, right? (Or can they not traverse walls?)

All the pervious wars have been fought in the same city. What master has the time to take his servant sight seeing in China?

[PGilis]

Random Curiosity - Image 06

And so starts the most violent war of all...

... The war for the Holly Breakfast.

[zgmf-x19a]

Rule Breaker seems kind of useful and powerful when it is used but still in the next preview
Saber is still fighting alongside Shirou and Rin then maybe

Spoiler:

Rin made a pact with Saber

I may be wrong though

[PhantomX]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

All the pervious wars have been fought in the same city. What master has the time to take his servant sight seeing in China?

Yeah, I forgot about that, I thought the wars changed locations there for a moment.
Although, he COULD come from China. If I remember correctly, Illya isn't originally from Fuyuki city right?

Rule Breaker would be so much cooler if it wasn't rainbow colored, imo (this is my first time seeing it)

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by PhantomX

Yeah, I forgot about that, I thought the wars changed locations there for a moment.
Although, he COULD come from China. If I remember correctly, Illya isn't originally from Fuyuki city right?

Rule Breaker would be so much cooler if it wasn't rainbow colored, imo (this is my first time seeing it)

You do know who Archer is don't you It was reveal when Archer die in Ep14.

[Shiroth]

Well, it doesn't look like its Dark Sakura.. i won't say anything anything else.

Spoiler for Episode 18:

Looks like the battle at the temples gonna be good, hope Assassin doesn't go down to easy with a good fight.

[stormy001_M1A2]

no no no....bloody animators! why!?

Sigh. The anime plot is geeting too full for itself.

[PhantomX]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

You do know who Archer is don't you It was reveal when Archer die in Ep14.

Yes I know ... but technically he doesn't have to be summoned in his home town. I mean, Saber wasn't summoned to England :\

I wuz just saying that if Illya is a foreigner, in one of the previous 3 wars there could've been a Chinese dude that summoned archer and had him trace them ... lol, don't get miffed, I'm just trying to find possible explanations for it to work XD

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by PhantomX

I wuz just saying that if Illya is a foreigner, in one of the previous 3 wars there could've been a Chinese dude that summoned archer and had him trace them ... lol, don't get miffed, I'm just trying to find possible explanations for it to work XD

Or he could have traced them from an opponent some where in the future.

Anyway, it's not indicated in the game where and when Archer got those twin blades.

[tragicsmile]

Originally Posted by stormy001_M1A2

no no no....bloody animators! why!?

Sigh. The anime plot is geeting too full for itself.

Honestly, I have absolutely no idea where the anime is going from here, and I'm not really sure I care. >_<


SEIG HARUHI

[gammaoh]

OK, I just saw the raw and I can say I'm a bit disappointed. The graphic quality is, again, weird. Sometimes it's good, other times, characters have been drawn by people who were using their feet instead of their hands to hold a pencil.

Plotwise, it's evolving towards a brand new path. It's nice, but it can get a bit confusing. And Sakura is indeed mind controlled by Caster.

The stab with the Rule Breaker apparently didn't break Saber's contract. IMO, it would make no sense now that Shirou has transferred some of his Magic Circuit into Saber. What would be the point of him losing Saber now? We're not in UBW...

The part I really liked (and disliked as well, it's strange), is the fight against Kuzuki. This guy really PWNED everybody. And Saber is the one who received the hardest blows.

Concerning fanservice, it has decreased to leave room for plot development. However, Saber did blush once in this eppy .

I don't know what mark I'm gonna give to this eppy. There are things that did annoy me such as the graphics and the absence of the BGM we all love. Nonetheless, the Kuzuki part bring that up anyway.

So, I'm shivering. Do I give a 7 'cause I'm tired tonight and not in such a good mood (I'm stuck in Oblivion)?

Having a good sleep, waiting for the sub and make my decision thereafter would be the wisest thing to do. I'm off. Well, maybe not.

PS: we'll get to see some Assassin action in the next eppy. According to what Makube posted about ep.19 (which apparently mentioned something about ep.18, those who know will understand), the fight should be really great. So now, I'm craving for the next ep since Assassin is one of my fav. characters of the show.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by gammaoh

The part I really liked (and disliked as well, it's strange), is the fight against Kuzuki. This guy really PWNED everybody. And Saber is the one who received the hardest blows.

Well Kuzuki is a train assassin with physical abiities as good or better the Shiki who is one of the more dangerous close combat specialist int he type moon universe.