To Aru Majutsu no Index LN - New Testament Volume 22 Discussion / Poll

[Keila]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

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We're going to end up in a circular phase (and fundamentally all of this is conjecture anyway) but you're referencing certain events and instilling a finite barrier (to a certain extent applying real world science) in a reality where science and magic exist.

Misaki 'nuked' the doors to the concept of Misaki within Touma's brain. It doesn't mean that the concept doesn't exist (and can't be developed and added to) it just means he can't get inside because there's no entrance way. It's fundamentally no different to the 'windowless building' requiring a teleporter.

Even with Dragon's Breath doing a second round of nuking it doesn't change the status quo about the Misaki concept. The doors still don't fundamentally exist but it doesn't mean the concept cannot once again be built up, accumulating over their various interactions. It just means the concept of a flat chested girl in a swimsuit has been erased from his internal records (that he couldn't access anyway), but now with recent events there's a non-flat chested girl in a swimsuit in his records (that he still can't access). Obviously he's in for quite a treat should he ever find a way in.

If a teenager hides porn in their room but you never go into their room and they never tell you about it is that the same as them not having porn in their room?

Mental Out exists as a concept, in the same way that all the level 5's exist as concepts independent of their actual 'this is the real person' identities. It's no different to the 6th level 5 that we're yet to met but know exists. Mental Out is essentially an avatar in this sense in the same way that 'Railgun' would be if he didn't doing crazy things and establish a relationship with Misaka (and her subsequent reinsertion into his life post breath).


Hypothetical: Misaki is some sort of sadist who beats the crap out of Touma, day after day (maybe stealing his lunch money). Would he have absolutely no recollection that someone beat the crap out of him, or would he know he got the crap beaten out of him just not know who did it?

○ If he has no recollection of the events at all then it'd be the same as waking up day after day being injured with no apparent reason/cause (and that in itself should be scary as hell).

[devil_slayer]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Well, most NT so far has been about mainly developing both Touma and Misaka, their character arcs so far have been great. The only other characters anywhere close to Misaka are Misaki and Itsuwa, but Itsuwa has not been seen for more than half of NT (If I remember correctly the last time and probably only time was during the Thor volume) and Misaki seems to have bad luck when it comes to Touma (just last volume she was practically sitting naked in from of Touma and he didn't even give her the time of day outside of thinking of her as a pervert).

But overall get ready for people telling you that romance is not the focus of the story and that it doesn't matter.

But romances really doesn't matter lol.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Keila

We're going to end up in a circular phase (and fundamentally all of this is conjecture anyway) but you're referencing certain events and instilling a finite barrier (to a certain extent applying real world science) in a reality where science and magic exist.

Misaki 'nuked' the doors to the concept of Misaki within Touma's brain. It doesn't mean that the concept doesn't exist (and can't be developed and added to) it just means he can't get inside because there's no entrance way. It's fundamentally no different to the 'windowless building' requiring a teleporter.

Even with Dragon's Breath doing a second round of nuking it doesn't change the status quo about the Misaki concept. The doors still don't fundamentally exist but it doesn't mean the concept cannot once again be built up, accumulating over their various interactions. It just means the concept of a flat chested girl in a swimsuit has been erased from his internal records (that he couldn't access anyway), but now with recent events there's a non-flat chested girl in a swimsuit in his records (that he still can't access). Obviously he's in for quite a treat should he ever find a way in.

If a teenager hides porn in their room but you never go into their room and they never tell you about it is that the same as them not having porn in their room?

Mental Out exists as a concept, in the same way that all the level 5's exist as concepts independent of their actual 'this is the real person' identities. It's no different to the 6th level 5 that we're yet to met but know exists. Mental Out is essentially an avatar in this sense in the same way that 'Railgun' would be if he didn't doing crazy things and establish a relationship with Misaka (and her subsequent reinsertion into his life post breath).


Hypothetical: Misaki is some sort of sadist who beats the crap out of Touma, day after day (maybe stealing his lunch money). Would he have absolutely no recollection that someone beat the crap out of him, or would he know he got the crap beaten out of him just not know who did it?

○ If he has no recollection of the events at all then it'd be the same as waking up day after day being injured with no apparent reason/cause (and that in itself should be scary as hell).

Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Originally Posted by devil_slayer

But romances really doesn't matter lol.

If the writer not only brings it up in their works multiple times, wether by one character or more, but also ties it into a characters development (see Mikoto's' development, mostly because she is the one tied into this theme the most), then it has some relevance. Sure, it may not be the main focus, but the fact that Kamachi even brings it up at all is a sign that Kamachi considers the topic relevant to the story in some way.

Now, wether you don't think it matter either due to personal bias (let's not beat around the bush and just admit that this is a factor for some to consider it irrelevant) or because you truly do think it is irrelevant then that is on you and doesn't change the fact Kamachi added it to the story and that it is a present theme that gets mentioned.

[Kuroageha]

Leaving off topic aside.

New volume is out.
Now you either dig up for spoilers or patiently wait for someone to work on the translation.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Leaving off topic aside.

New volume is out.
Now you either dig up for spoilers or patiently wait for someone to work on the translation.

I just want to know if it’s the final volume of NT or not. Can someone please tell me in pm... I just want to prepare myself going into this, lol.

[Endscape]

Whew, apparently this volume is absolute madness. Kamachi has done it again.

[Wandering Soul]

Having seen the illustrations, it seems like this volume is going to be crazy.

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by dniv

I just want to know if it’s the final volume of NT or not. Can someone please tell me in pm... I just want to prepare myself going into this, lol.

Isn't the end. Were you seriously expecting that ._.

[Aling11]

What about some good ol' hocus pocus magic? I'd accept anything unreasonable at this point if Touma could remember Misaki. NT11 makes me sad T_T

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Isn't the end. Were you seriously expecting that ._.

Lol it sounded like a climax.

[faiz blaster]

After a few hours hoping around the usual sources (2ch, 4ch, etc.) with no avail, I decided to throw the towel and ask here directly: anyone has some reliable spoilers about what happens in this volume?

Please PM me with the answer.

[Ladiusman]

Originally Posted by faiz blaster

After a few hours hoping around the usual sources (2ch, 4ch, etc.) with no avail, I decided to throw the towel and ask here directly: anyone has some reliable spoilers about what happens in this volume?

Please PM me with the answer.

I believe shmaster can tell you once he finishes the volume.

[OH&S]

Js06 has once again given his seal of approval for the volume.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by OH&S

Js06 has once again given his seal of approval for the volume.

Well this makes me happy lol

[NeutralZero]

Great nice prologe... looks like the snap reached as far as the tamniverse.
Poor touma but kinda curious of all the illustrations and what is shiage's role here

[Kuroageha]

Now it started with the first chapter.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Now it started with the first chapter.

So I'm caught up with through part 4 of chapter 1 and man holy sh*t is this awesome. I can't wait for more! Am very interested in what's to come.

[OH&S]

That was intense!! This is peak Index/Kamachi!!

[Keila]

In a way it's endearing that Othinus and Touma aren't soul-bound (given how much he means to her), though one has to wonder if traumatic scenes remain as such if the initiating devastation can be undone as if an illusion.

Did the invisible thing in Touma's arm never regenerate after he crushed it against Fiamma? I mean he's missing his right forearm so I would have expected something, or is there some other triggering condition?

[Daft]

Spoiler for Spoilers:

So now that Aleister has officially declared he's given up on his goals he says to Touma, "so from now on, use that power for your own purposes". Interesting. I don't expect Touma to play that big a role this volume since Imagine Breaker doesn't seem able to kill Choronzon, and he doesn't even have it anymore atm. But going forward into the next series, it looks like understanding the power Aleister has been cultivating in him will finally have a bigger focus. Happy for that. Time for everyone else to figure out a way to subdue/foil Choronzon's plans.