KanColle - Episode 5 Discussion / Poll

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

That was a mistranslation (again...) from Crunchyroll.
所詮でいきなり中破したのどこの誰を？

Which means "After all, who got half damaged right from the bat?".

Now that's a problem, as しょせん can also be 初戦 = first battle as CR translated.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Death Usagi

I tried to listen to Kaga's voice more and more, but Iguchi Yuka definitely made her sound the same as the game more compared to Episode 1. The tone was like really low back in Ep 1 but if I compare to how she speaks in the game, it's nearly the same now o.o

I am using Headphones to compare btw :x

More like how she pronounce the words which are definitely different, but not as completely off as in ep1.

Originally Posted by chaosprophet

Now that's a problem, as しょせん can also be 初戦 = first battle as CR translated.

Didn't know there was a word like that, and it makes more sense since the で　shouldn't work with 所詮 normally, my mistake then.
Suffice to say, considering the definition, it actually makes even more sense when you consider skirmishe (that word wouldn't really make sense with a series of actual battles). Similarly in ep1, I don't think practice would end with a single shelling, so she probably meant the first engagement against the other fleet.

That said, it also makes perfect sense with 緒戦　which means the start of a competition OR beginning of the hostilities.

[HandofFate]

What's the deal with the girl obsessed about Night Battles?

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

What's the deal with the girl obsessed about Night Battles?

The Light Cruiser Sendai took part of 4 battles in her career, and three of them were at night.
Since it is a very odd ratio, that the light cruisers are very good during the night (especially if you consider IJN training as well), and the game mechanics for night battle, they made Sendai a night battle freak.

[Requiem-x]

This episode was a surprise, and of the good kind. While I am a little dissapointed we'll be getting less Poi and yasen baka, this new crew definetly doesn't disappoint with the fun times, and let's be honest, after the last episode, I think lots of people wanted more Kongou, me included. I was kinda expecting her to be the flagship, but we do have a protagonist already, so But on a more serious tone, I think the way this move was made, though predictable, was handled surprisingly well: Little Fubuki went from a group that taught her the ropes and the importance of being close to your teammates to one that needed to learn that lesson in order to not waste their otherwise great talents; she didn't save the day singlehandedly, like most cheap protagonists, but rather the opposite, so yeah, I think she earned the right to be in front of the gang.

Also, she makes Zuikaku get flustered near Kaga. What else could you ask from her?

On other stuff, can't believe I managed to get Shoukaku's escort ships commentary (Only one fanwork seems to make reference to that, and fittingly enough, it features Fubuki)

Definetly looking forward to see more of this new group... after the next episode, that is.

It's here!
IT'S FINALLY HERE!!!
6TH DIV TIME!!!!!

[FlareKnight]

Was kind of mixed on this one.

On the positive, more Kongou which is awesome . It just wouldn't be the same without her saying "shit" after missing a shot . I could totally relate to Fubuki's relief when Kongou showed up as a member of the team. If she had to be alone with those lunatics she might have lost it. Sure, Kongou is also crazy, but she's an entertaining crazy .

At the same time the rest of the squad is hit and miss. Kind of wish the yuri duo would just stay silent since they aren't that interesting. Also Fubuki's rise to girl with tactical sense and drawing enemy fire seemed a bit too ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure the admiral just got drunk and threw together the most random of combinations at the height of his intoxication.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Also Fubuki's rise to girl with tactical sense and drawing enemy fire seemed a bit too ridiculous.

Fubuki was portrayed as a scolar-type of girl. She could explain the special feature of oxygen torpedo just like that in ep2 despite she was transferred only within few days. So it isn't surprising she has tactical knowledge.

Also, drawing enemies fire is the destroyers job. It isn't like it needs any special skill, and she got damaged anyway. It isn't like she suddenly became an ace and wrecked ships left and right. That said, she finally got the hang of her own speed, which explains her much smoother evasions manoeuvres compared to previous episodes. This also explains why the Admiral had expectations in her since she is the first special type destroyer.

I'm pretty sure the admiral just got drunk and threw together the most random of combinations at the height of his intoxication.

Actually, putting the game aside, this kind of fleet sort of makes sense if you want a flexible fleet (which is why it is called the mobile unit). They are most likely going to be an independant unit assisting other task forces during the counter offensive.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Fubuki was portrayed as a scolar-type of girl. She could explain the special feature of oxygen torpedo just like that in ep2 despite she was transferred only within few days. So it isn't surprising she has tactical knowledge.

Also, drawing enemies fire is the destroyers job. It isn't like it needs any special skill, and she got damaged anyway. It isn't like she suddenly became an ace and wrecked ships left and right. That said, she finally got the hang of her own speed, which explains her much smoother evasions manoeuvres compared to previous episodes. This also explains why the Admiral had expectations in her since she is the first special type destroyer.
Actually, putting the game aside, this kind of fleet sort of makes sense if you want a flexible fleet (which is why it is called the mobile unit). They are most likely going to be an independant unit assisting other task forces during the counter offensive.

Book learning is fine. But if you want me to buy the girl we got through the first 4 episodes suddenly calmly issuing reliable tactical orders and making it all work....nope, not happening. All the explaining in the world is not going to make that any more believable from a character perspective.

And it's still a terrible assembling of individuals. If the story wasn't forcing them they'd already have been broken up.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Book learning is fine. But if you want me to buy the girl we got through the first 4 episodes suddenly calmly issuing reliable tactical orders and making it all work....nope, not happening. All the explaining in the world is not going to make that any more believable from a character perspective.

The girl in question followed practice all the time and made sounds decision based on usual drills. I really don't see how ridiculous it is, considering what she stated were basically fundamental tactical points which were stated in their practice drills as she says. Unlike the other members of her fleet, Fubuki didn't have any grief with a specific person and could obviously have a much better perspective, especially after what she went through (reconnaissance by the abyssals which fucked up their surprise attack in ep3, going to forwards which almost doomed her in ep4). The previous episodes definitely drilled her about the fundamental parts in war: know your enemy and don't take independant actions which would put you or your squadron in danger.
Also remember that the time span between the episodes are of severals days, which obviously skip practices she got.

The orders she has given weren't complex nor out of ordinary, otherwise none would have followed her. She stated the obvious and it struck Kaga, Zuikaku and Kitakami exactly because what she said made sense immediately with the context. They were just getting ahead of themselves since they were dealing with... trash mobs, for a lack of better words (Zuikaku and Kaga thinking reconnaissance was unecessary, Ooi and Kitakami thinking they would just wipe the floor by themselves).

And it's still a terrible assembling of individuals. If the story wasn't forcing them they'd already have been broken up.

As I explained in the faq, they had to deal with it sooner or later. Doing it later will be a major blow because there is no guarantee their aces wouldn't be out of action for a while or permanently. If Akagi were to sink, Kaga would have to work with Zuikaku and Shoukaku at some point. If they can't deal with mere relationship issues when there isn't much action ongoing, it will be way worse once things get serious.

Cherry picking squadrons solely based on social relationships isn't a good idea in the long term.

[Nvis]

Why doesn't Yuudachi hang out with her sister ships? (Not even in the same class as her, WTF?)

Same with Fubuki, if they exist.

They are oddballs since pretty much the other girls usually hang out with their sister ships.

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Actually, putting the game aside, this kind of fleet sort of makes sense if you want a flexible fleet (which is why it is called the mobile unit). They are most likely going to be an independent unit assisting other task forces during the counter offensive.

Indeed, one thing the anime have is that, while battles does have a chaotic component, different from the game each ship-girl can decide who and how she will attack,m instead of being random. So having a fleet like this means each member can focus on specific types of enemies they're better at instead of having the battleship waste shots at the destroyers while the destroyer attacking the battleship for meager damage. On the anime, being versatile actually makes sense.

[blitz1/2]

Operation FS = Operation Flagship, to level that Fubuki as flagship. BRILLIANT!

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Nvis

Why doesn't Yuudachi hang out with her sister ships? (Not even in the same class as her, WTF?)

Probably for sake of having a quirky "boke" with Fubuki, although it doesn't make much sense for her not to hang around the other shiratsuyu, especially Shigure.
It is possible it will be the case now that she is assigned in another fleet.

Same with Fubuki, if they exist.

They most likely didn't want to alienate the audience with Fubuki-class destroyers, especially it would make Fubuki "less unique" as a special destroyer.

[Cyprene]

It's neither 所詮 nor 初戦, actually. It is
瑞鶴 「緒戦でいきなり中破したのは、
どこの誰よ」

So yeah, the line is correctly translated.

[Klashikari]

As I stated above, 緒戦 would imply the very moment hostilities have started, which doesn't specifically refer to the "first battle". From that context, it does sound to me that Zuikaku meant "the very moment we started attacking".
In both cases, it doesn't contradict the assumption they were actually practising with another fleet.

[Wild Goose]

Mobile Unit 5 is actually a fairly well balanced striking group. Think about it - you've got two fleet carriers, a fast battleship, two torpedo CLs and a fast DD. This is a fairly versatile force that isn't too slow to get to where the action is. I'd personally prefer to have a few more CLs and DDs as screening units, but this is a solid setup given what resources the Admiral has - you have Kongo, Kaga and Zuikaku for the long range sunday punch, with Fubuki, Kitakami and Ooi to screen and harass enemies, and the latter three are fast enough to screen further ahead and then run the hell away if things get too dicey.

The thing about Fubuki is that she knows what to do in her head, she just hasn't actually done it for real, and she's working on getting that practical experience.

Furthermore, I submit that for a combat leader, while having martial ability and technical skill is important, it's also just as important to know what your subordinates can do and to get them all following the same playbook. None of the girls were able to get the others to follow them, but Fubuki was able to pull that off. Small unit leadership boils down to two words: Follow me. Fubuki has that.

She's also lucky in that as the newcomer she doesn't have any of the baggage that the rest of her fellow shipgirls have.

[Vaans]

I'm surprise Fubuki is a flagship along with a group of rather troublesome ships. Good thing big sister Kongou is with her.

That 'Who'll be flagship' competition was hilarious.

[Eisdrache]

Fubuki has the absolute best complaining scenes. Just like episode 4, where she face-rolled her head over the desk, this time she's lamenting Yuudachi's and Mutsuki's fleets.

Also wow at Shoukaku putting the burn on Kaga, although it doesn't quite get to the level of 'flight-deck-chest' wwww.

[Top Sergeant]

I loved how they handled the leadership competition!

"I'm in charge!" *boom*

"I'll lead this time!" *boom*

"I'll show you how its done!" *boom*

[SaintessHeart]

Did the CLT lesbo pair sank the abyssal ships with only 1 salvo?

And Kaga is so damn awesomely cool. I am surprised that her usual is not the same as Akagi's usual.

Zuikaku apparently became the buttmonkey. Flight deck chest lol.