2014-04-30, 18:48 | Link #41 |
AS Oji-kun
Join Date: Nov 2006
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As I asked off-list back when the most recent round of voting took place, I would really like to see an official announcement of the Awards at the top of the forums next year. I don't think the fact that it isn't run the staff makes it any less deserving of better advertising so that all AS members are aware of the awards process. I certainly think it is at least as important as the proposed new banner competition. All our members can participate in the awards process; the banner contest is obviously only really relevant to people with graphic design talents.
The Choice Awards have been running for seven years now. Surely the time has come to raise it more official status, even if the moderators prefer to leave the management of the process in the hands of the volunteers.
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2014-05-04, 20:27 | Link #42 | |||
Cross Game - I need more
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: I've moved around the American West. I've lived in Oregon, Washington, Utah, and Oklahoma
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It's a trade-off. Effective moderation to forum activity. I would think that focusing the moderation efforts in the new and recent show forums would make sense. Long standing sub-forum communities are less likely to wither from lack of moderation then the newer forums. If you aren't willing to make the trade off then I guess that's off the table. Quote:
I also think the current community at AnimeSuki is well suited to providing reviews. A lot of people would be willing to do it, and I would expect pretty good quality reviews as well. This is an area that plays to our strengths as a community. If we want to expand the product we provide this would seem to be an easier area to do so then others. I'm not saying it's the only possibility though. I'm just brainstorming right now. I'd be curious as to the ideas other people have. Quote:
After that it's just running the script to collect data. The second part could probably be reduced even further if there was some sort of built in voting form instead of people having to format their posts themselves. It would also help if there was an easier way to collect and find the previous awards. I know I have to go do a search every time I want to link to it in answer to a question in the Suggestion thread. Maybe a sub-forum would help.
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2014-05-04, 22:15 | Link #43 | |
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2014-05-05, 01:21 | Link #44 |
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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I'm not sure about the original purpose or that type of stuff, but I decided to stay with AnimeSuki for my anime forum because it is well moderated (cheers to the mods) and organized. It hasn't changed and I still stick with this place.
That said, I personally feel recent anime seasons lack the type of anime to discuss or generally was lacking, so I have not been as active as before. So I end up usually only posting first impression and final thoughts. Like for instance, Manga-ka and Assistant-san. I enjoy it greatly every week, but there just isn't anything to say. Even if I did say something, it'd probably be an unfortunate generic "It was good" type of post.
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2014-05-13, 11:36 | Link #45 |
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I have barely posted at all outside my story thread but I blame my real life schedule and deadlines. I only really got to watch seitokai yakuindomo this season.
Animesuki remains my primary destination for keeping up with japan anime and manga.
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2014-05-13, 13:38 | Link #46 | |
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Location: Italy
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Now, of course the level of the discussions is (often) lower than the serious analysis I find on animesuki (which is the reason I still lurk here a lot), but the sheer amount of users and content is on a completely another level. And, as I said many times in the past, MOBILE IS HUGE NOW, and animesuki not having tapatalk support is a VERY big liability...
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2014-05-13, 14:30 | Link #47 |
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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I think two factors might reduce the amount of discussion on animesuki, compared to a few years ago:
1. The lack of support for mobile, I spend a lot of my time on my phone now, and posting on animesuki is a pain. 2. The retirement of the reputation system. I found the reputation system gave me a "reason" to write lengthy detailed posts. It felt really good when I'd write a great post, and someone would plus rep it. I get that the reputation system was abused, but it also gave a way for people to know that their post was read and enjoyed by someone else. Not knowing makes the experience feel pointless to me. I wouldn't bring back the old system, but I would do one of the following: 1. Put in a system for "thanking" posts. I've seen this on boards.ie (another vbulletin forum) and I think that serves the same purpose. Maybe give a list on the User CP (not viewable by others) of all the times you've had a post "thanked", and a number showing the number of thanked posts you have. 2. Bring back the old system, but without negative votes. Maybe it doesn't seem "pure", but the rush of getting an +rep on one of my posts motivated me to write them, and without that it feels pointless, because I have no idea if anyone likes what I wrote. Can you see if there's been a decline in forum activity since the old reputation system was removed? Because I know that's played a role in my posting less. |
2014-05-13, 15:10 | Link #48 |
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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I personally think AS built upon the momentum many years ago when it acted as a torrent index for anime. I think it used to be the case that people come here for their turrets, and while they are at it join in to the discussion on the forums. Over time it sort of became a nexus where people come together to talk about anime/manga/games/novels, etc...
Yet over time some of that has became more... decentralized.. people aren't allowed to share links to actual anime/manga (which caused people to go elsewhere first and they might choose to "settle" there). The scene also changed from many years ago: fansubs are released sooner than before (no more need to go on a forum to find spoilers to the last cliffhanger), and instead of original content anime we have a lot more LN based franchises which imo are very disorganized on this forum. @rep system: I disagree with the existence: people should not feel "rewarded" via rep/thank buttons to contribute to the forums. I mean, if someone has something to say, just say it. The participation in a discussion should be rewarding enough. |
2014-05-13, 19:42 | Link #49 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Northeast USA
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I admit, I haven't been around enough over the past few months to say whether there's been a decrease in activity or not. I've felt that there has been a decrease in quality discussion over the course of the years that I've been here, but perhaps that's just nostalgia, too. I feel that there isn't much conversation, but rather, that people treat their posts like a blog. People aren't talking to each other or responding to each other. It's an information dump, and few look back once they've dropped off their thoughts.
In the past, I attributed this to the increasingly strict moderation. Disagreements are heavily scrutinized by moderators, and the scope of what is considered "off topic" can be quite narrow. The easiest way to avoid being moderated (and the ensuing bad feeling) is to talk to no one, and simply treat the thread topic as an essay prompt. The likelihood that someone would get themselves into trouble that way is minimal. I still maintain the idea that harsh moderation impacts conversational activity, but I wonder if the culture of the internet is also shifting. More recently I've been spending some time browsing through the MyAnimeList forums. My complaint that people are just writing thoughts and then abandoning the thread seems to be even worse there. Granted, making a generalization off of two forums is pretty weak, but it was interesting to observe. I also admit that I don't know much about how MyAnimeList is moderated; I've seen complaints written about the moderators with accusations that they're too harsh and/or inconsistent, but the cases seemed to resolve around pretty stupid topics that deserved to be moderated. So who knows - perhaps the moderation is simply something visible, but not responsible for the shifts that are occurring. And that further assumes that the shifts are something real, and not imagined. The human mind is fairly easy to manipulate, after all. If enough people say that something is bad, people who would have otherwise been neutral or positive come to feel badly about it, too. Quote:
I don't really know whether absence of the reputation system has done anything to the activity levels, or to the quality of discussion. Anyone who received positive reputation after writing a long and/or passionate post has probably felt its impacts, though.
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2014-05-14, 13:15 | Link #50 |
Knight Errant
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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I think that when discussing the Reputation system, we should avoid being too idealistic. Yes, in a perfect world people should write for the sake of writing, but most people are not perfect in that way. I and Ledgem both felt motivated by the reputation system, and our contributions weren't any less valuable due to the fact we did it "for a reward". Ideally I'd try to be that pure too, but I can't deny my own behaviour and motivations.
Even if only minority felt the reputation system was of benefit, I would still bring it back. Let's say only a 1/3 liked the system, they would lose a vote to keep it going. But let's flip things around, what if that 1/3 of users posted substantially less (like me) once the system was gone. Would we be willing to lose ~1/3 of the forum activity for the sake of removing the reputation system? Because that's what I think removing the reputation system ultimately did. I've noticed the people I had discussions with the most all post substantially less since the reputation system was removed, and there are a lot less "philosophy" type discussions in the general chat forum. I think in removing the reputation system we threw the baby out with the bathwater. |
2014-05-14, 17:40 | Link #51 | |
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On the whole, I think that losing the reputation system was probably for the best for Anime Suki (I think that losing the neg rep side freed up discussion a bit more). But Don's idea here would bring back what was perhaps the reputation system's most useful function - A quick and easy means for members to give other members discreet/private encouragement. And such encouragement can fuel more discussion which means more activity, of course. A couple separate points: 1. I've noticed in recent seasons that Overall Series Rating threads have almost totally died, activity-wise. The one-week gap (between final episode thread and overall series rating thread) might have been beneficial at one time, but in an increasingly fast-paced internet (and world in general), I think it means that people have already mentally checked out and have moved on to other things. Perhaps narrowing the gap between putting up the final episode thread and putting up the Overall Series Rating thread would encourage more activity on the latter. A gap of, say, 36 hours, might be better than a full week. 2. Anime Suki's spoiler policy has almost certainly cost the site some members in recent years. That's a 800 lb elephant in the room that we might as well address. AS' spoiler policy is pretty strict given what the modern anime fandom is like. I have no doubt that this strict policy has meant that some people that otherwise might have stuck around, decided instead to go to other anime forums with less strict spoiler policies. Now, I'm not bringing this up to say that the spoiler policy should change. But we might as well be honest about the very real cost to it. Especially given that we're talking about that cost right now - If forum activity really is down significantly, the spoiler policy is almost certainly part of the reason why.
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2014-05-15, 02:11 | Link #52 | |
AS Oji-kun
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The comments area in the New York Times uses this system. Only positive votes are allowed.
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I'd attribute the overall decline in forum activity to three factors:
I'd put the spoiler policy pretty far down the list compared to those factors.
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2014-05-17, 17:30 | Link #53 | |
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Location: Hamburg
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Agreed on both counts. I do think that allowing forum members to give positive feedback to an article without having to post "ditto" responses would have a positive impact. Keep the negative votes out and don't "accumulate" them like in the old system, if you feel that this encourages abuse, but getting feedback definitely increases _my_ motivation to contribute. |
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2014-05-17, 19:50 | Link #54 |
Onee!
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Auckland, NZ
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To me rep is (was) a kind if incentive. Being perfectly subjective, the vast majority of posts here are of questionable value-I liked x, x happened, god x sucked, end post. Moderating (I'll leave my personal feelings on that subject out of this) cuts down on the lowest end of the spectrum. There is however in my opinion little incentive to produce content on the higher end of the spectrum because a) it's likely to just get drowned out by the sea of mediocrity and b) there's no tangible benefit in doing so. I know it can be argued that that's a shallow motive, people do still make thoughtful posts/insightful convos for the sake of it but honestly motivation through incentives is a proven thing and I don't believe it can be dismissed so easily. Tldr I don't think activity is all there is to be worried about, quality matters too.
Assuming this sudden focus shift onto rep isn't OT.
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2014-05-18, 23:52 | Link #55 | |
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2014-05-21, 05:49 | Link #56 |
Moving in circles
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
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I suspect that this is merely a cyclical thing, and the forum is currently entering a trough period, as one generation of members make their exit while another one enters.
(1) Why do I think so? Dig way back to the very earliest posts on the forum, and you'll quickly see what I mean. Back in the earliest days of AnimeSuki, conversation — if you could call it that — wasn't what you'd describe as scintillating. There was a "golden" peak period of sorts, sometime between 2005 and 2008, a time when anime like Death Note were all the rage. Stories that naturally lent themselves to passionate debates about "big issues" like morality and what not. While I don't have anything to back it up, I believe I'm not the only one who feels that anime as a whole has been in general decline over the past three to four years. We don't get "big topic" anime like Death Note or Ghost in the Shell any more. The industry as a whole, seems to have turned inwards, generating a string of series that tend to rely more heavily on "insider", self-referential humour to keep things moving. It's not surprising to me, therefore, to see the quality of anime discussion decline over the years. The medium itself is no longer attracting as many of the fans who used to revel in the "deep" discussions that define AnimeSuki. (2) And the key words from my last sentence are "used to". Like Vexx, real-life commitments have greatly reduced the amount of time I have to spend on anime. This, combined with my waning interest in the medium, has reduced my overall motivation to post lengthy topics. I don't feel that keeping or revamping the reputation system would have made a difference. No one quirk of any particular discussion forum can never make up for (A) changes in my real-life habits; and (B) what I perceive to be a lack of interesting topics about anime to discuss. And finally, let's not forget that many of the long-time members of the forum, those who used to be very active, are now in their mid- to late 30s and beyond. Most of these members now have many other things on their mind other than anime. You know, boring but vital stuff, like mortgages, children and mid-life crises, to work through. Quite simply put, they've moved on. It's really up to the next generation of anime enthusiasts in the teens and 20s to pick up the slack. And I think it'll just take a few more years or so before they improve. |
2014-05-21, 08:43 | Link #57 |
You're Hot, Cupcake
Join Date: Aug 2008
Age: 42
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Over time, people change. What they like changes somewhat then they find the place they want to chill/unload in. Usually amongst somewhat like-minded people that won't get up in arms if one of their most beloved titles is in the bottom tier of yours. Gradually people won't like what currently airs and will move on while the next lot who love the current material will migrate in and lap it up.
A few people to converse with every now and then and the odd thread of interest is fine for me. But I won't touch a series thread ever again. I really see nothing to gain from it anymore. And I'll wait anywhere between when a series has concluded to a few years to watch it. I feel no need to be utterly obsessed with the moment and what's airing/happening right now. Nothing lasts forever. You've done alright to be more stable and tolerant than other places.
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2014-05-21, 15:27 | Link #58 |
Knight Errant
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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@ The decline of Anime.While I agree that there probably has been a decline in Anime over the last 5 years (It doesn't seem to be the "it" thing it used to be), I think it's also important to be a bit cautious before declaring such. For one thing, I remember back in 2006-2007 when I got into the fandom, people back then were saying "Anime is in decline, it ain't what it used to be", whereas in hindsight, those years were arguably a peak, probably the time when Anime was Healthiest before the Financial crash, and the (unrelated) crash in the US DVD market both put a double whammy to Anime finances. Though I think Anime producers just went back to how they were in the 90s, ignoring "crazy westerners" and producing anime for a Japanese audience.
However, I never really took part in Anime discussion, I mostly stuck to General Chat, and I think General chat had a dive in well thought out posts after the removal of the reputation system. |
2014-05-21, 22:20 | Link #59 | |||
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This is why certain BBC series have been great these last few years --Luther and Sherlock especially. There are only ~4 episodes per season, yet each episode can be around 1:30 - 2:00 hrs. I think this is so much better than a series like heroes that has over 20 episodes where most of the content is fluff and wasting time. I haven't been that involved with anime series anywhere near to the extent that I used to be, but I think they should try this approach with some of the more mature series if none of them have already. |
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2014-05-22, 01:01 | Link #60 | |
Moving in circles
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But I will nonetheless assert that the anime industry as a whole is chasing a shrinking market. It's churning out shows that are still mainly targeted at teens and young adults in their 20s, at a time when the number of babies born in Japan is hitting record lows. A good number of anime's original audience has, in the meantime, grown older. Yet, there aren't that many anime series every year that specifically targets this group of older, one-time fans. Many people will claim that there's no age limit to watching cartoons or anime. That's true. But the reality is that people's interests do change over time. That ought to be a no-brainer. As teens turn into adults, they enter university, graduate, land their first jobs, get married, have kids of their own, buy their first homes, rue their greying crowns, and worry about funding their children's education. Amid all these pressing concerns, they simply aren't going to be cooing over the latest animated high-school romance/drama, no matter how brightly coloured it is. And if you're not making shows to cater to these changing interests brought on by changing perspectives, then you're quite simply going to lose these fans over time. So, if AnimeSuki appears to be losing long-time members, I'd say the root cause has very little to do with the forum itself — with or without gimicks like a reputation system. It's rather that the genre as a whole is stuck in time and is increasingly irrelevant to many older fans, who've largely moved on. I'm moderately active on Facebook. My Twitter account has effectively become the replacement for my now-defunct RSS feed. I'd opened an Instagram account, but unlike my younger colleagues in their 20s, I don't have the compulsion to photograph every dish I eat at restaurants, nor take narcissistic selfies to broadcast to all and sundry. So, no. I won't say I'm particularly active on social media, although I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion. I would say, though, that the only reason that I started using social media regularly is thanks to my smartphone. A pocket computer that's essentially designed to keep you connected and in constant communication makes social-media use a natural extension to daily face-to-face interaction. |
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