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Frontier · 2020-03-19, 23:34

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I can't judge how it is as an adaptation since I haven't played the game, but as an anime only viewer, my main complaint is that the last third of the anime was super rushed and there was a serious lack of explanations. I think the last really great episode was the one where Siduri died.

The main strength of the series was the animation. I'm surprised they managed to keep it at this level for the whole series, especially since it wasn't split cour. There were a couple of recaps, sure, but I still find it really impressive. I don't think another studio could have done better. What the series needed was either a better writer or more episodes. Most likely the former, because the pace really was all over the place. It felt right to me at the beginning, but that's because I had no idea how much content they had to cover.

I think it was the episode count if only because that seems, to me, the most likely explanation for having to rush things.

Granted, having a few more episodes to produce might have also negatively impacted the production, so there may not have been an ideal solution.

Stark700 · 2020-03-21, 10:17

Fate/Grand Order: Solomon anime project announced

https://twitter.com/FGOAP_ep7/status...78380647247873

Thess · 2020-03-21, 10:54

I'm kind of pissed off because this episode was good, and looking at the staff, it's the same one that worked on episode 0. It's giving me a headache the difference of quality between this and previous episode. I just hope for all that's precious to Nasu Solomon gets the episode 0 staff+the episode 18 action director and doesn't have the same series director from Babylonia.

MCAL · 2020-03-21, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Stark700

Fate/Grand Order: Solomon anime project announced

https://twitter.com/FGOAP_ep7/status...78380647247873

How they're going to do this without confusing the heck out of anime only viewers is beyond me.

Frontier · 2020-03-21, 14:17

I wasn't expecting to see Quetzacoatl again, but that it was nice to see her again and get a more pleasant sendoff. Jaguarman sitting the final battle out to save Kuku was well worth it, and Quetzacoatl is just that awesome that she was able to survive all that without all her power

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Kuku looks surprisingly nice without some of her regalia

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What I wouldn't have given to see Quetzacoatl put Merlin in a joint lock. Merlin's reaction at the possibility that she was still around was priceless

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I love how Ritsuka is on-point about what Quetzacoatl said before but Mash is the one who still remembers her talking about marrying Ritsuka

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Merlin and Roman seem to really enjoy talking @#$% to each other

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Merlin, for all his talk of not caring for humans and love of just their collective story as a race, found himself enamored with and becoming attached to our Ritsuka Fujimaru. Ritsuka might be the first human who has garnered Merlin's attention since Artoria. Enough to where he'd forego his self-imposed exile in Avalon to help out. So no matter how tough things get from here on out or what they have to face, Ritsuka can always count on his biggest fan Merlin watching from above

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That was a fitting sendoff for Gilgamesh. He recalled Enkidu and the time Enkidu learned about what Gilgamesh truly sought to achieve as a king, and how that friendship and experience helped him learn to become a better king and a better human being. And he got to see off Chaldea with respect and pride at what Uruk accomplished and what humanity will continue to accomplish. After imparting wise words to Ritsuka and Mash, he says goodbye the only way Gilgamesh could

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Only Gilgamesh could offer ale to minors, drink it himself, and then toss it to our heroes...and all this time it was the Holy Grail

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Our heroes barely just get back to Chaldea and already they're taking the fight to Solomon. It's Endgame time

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Originally Posted by Stark700

Fate/Grand Order: Solomon anime project announced

https://twitter.com/FGOAP_ep7/status...78380647247873

Wandering Soul · 2020-03-21, 16:14

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Originally Posted by MCAL

How they're going to do this without confusing the heck out of anime only viewers is beyond me.

Most of the backstory could be explained through a episode 0 sort of like with the series. Some fanservive moments and some reveals will probably go over people's heads though.

Thess · 2020-03-21, 16:37

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Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

Most of the backstory could be explained through a episode 0 sort of like with the series. Some fanservive moments and some reveals will probably go over people's heads though.

I'm not sure what needs to be covered. Servant and singularity references? They are kind of extras and some of the important bits were covered in episode 0 of Babylonia already along with foreshadowing crammed every time certain someone was on screen.

AC-Phoenix · 2020-03-21, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Thess

I'm not sure what needs to be covered. Servant and singularity references? They are kind of extras and some of the important bits were covered in episode 0 of Babylonia already along with foreshadowing crammed every time certain someone was on screen.

tbH they should imho rather do the other singularities first...

Thess · 2020-03-21, 18:05

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Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

tbH they should imho rather do the other singularities first...

Well, there's this.

Frontier · 2020-03-21, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

Most of the backstory could be explained through a episode 0 sort of like with the series. Some fanservive moments and some reveals will probably go over people's heads though.

I've been doing my best since the premier

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Sheba · 2020-03-21, 19:32

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Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

tbH they should imho rather do the other singularities first...

*look at Septem*

Hahah, no.

I'd rather have them doing Shimosa or Salem next if they want to do 1 5. Or go for the Part 2.

Kanon · 2020-03-21, 19:39

That was a really good episode. I'm happy they took the time to give the major character a proper send-off. The Gilgamesh flashbacks were particularly great.

There is one that bothered me though. Did Mash turn invisible or something? The only one that seemed to acknowledge her existence was Ritsuka. I don't recall any of the other characters directly speaking to her in this episode. Everything was about Ritsuka (Romani also got in some good banter with Merlin). I thought Thess would be the first to comment on that.

Random14 · 2020-03-21, 20:35

That dragged on a bit for me, with how they first said good-bye to Quetz and Jaguar then Merlin then Gil. Especially with how rushed some earlier battles were. The game just had them all meet up in one place after it was all over. And I'm a bit sad they skipped some of the funnier things like Quetz getting payback on Merlin for his earlier trick (not surprised, with how this adaptation has been, but still).

Happy to hear they're adapting Solomon, but after how serious this series has been, I'm a bit wary of how they'll adapt it.

I wish they had done some things differently but overall not bad series, I'm just happy to see a FGO animated series. Now just have to hope they handle the grand finale decently. There's probably enough content for at least six episodes, but stretching it out to 10-12 episodes might be too much. Well, here's hoping.

Thess · 2020-03-21, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Kanon

There is one that bothered me though. Did Mash turn invisible or something? The only one that seemed to acknowledge her existence was Ritsuka. I don't recall any of the other characters directly speaking to her in this episode. Everything was about Ritsuka (Romani also got in some good banter with Merlin). I thought Thess would be the first to comment on that.

It happens in-game a lot unless there's a male Servant hitting on her, you see. But Quetz not hugging Mash is a sin, she actually does that in the game (after her defeat) and wants to hug Roman too. The Merlin scene is taken from the game, so it's not really something I'll criticize, and he basically spent most of it talking with Roman in the episode like in the game (him and Ana) - the anime axed the majority of their interaction so is probably a little weird about those who weren't aware they act as if knew each other since forever. I just didn't feel like criticizing that bit because the episode was a vast improvement over Babylonia's weak anticlimatic farewell. I mean the Babylonia singularity had by far one of the poorest farewell scenes in FGO, with Quetz suplexing Merlin off-screen without any care about the ruins and the dead people, and yeah... It's pretty bad and I've always criticized it because of the mood whiplash it gives. The tone in the episode is far better, but they ruined the two episodes before it in exchange which were Babylonia's high points.

It's thanks to the storyboard person (who also worked on episode 0). The production just messed up during the episodes that they should be more cautious and this is frustrating as a fan who goes from a great episode (ep 18) to wtf rushed and incomprehensible mess in the most awaited scenes (episodes 19-20) to the meh ending turned into really nice stuff now. I thought Gilgamesh addressed both of them in the episode, so that's what mattered. Like the addition of his tale about how he searched for immortality all his life only to realize his mistake, in the end, is very good considering what's animated next.

AC-Phoenix · 2020-03-22, 06:10

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Originally Posted by Sheba

*look at Septem*

Hahah, no.

I'd rather have them doing Shimosa or Salem next if they want to do 1 5. Or go for the Part 2.

I can pass on Septem,yes. Okeanos and France would be nice though... Also wherever Tamamo has a proper role. (Unlike London, according to Saber Wars.)

Frontier · 2020-03-22, 13:24

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Originally Posted by Kanon

There is one that bothered me though. Did Mash turn invisible or something? The only one that seemed to acknowledge her existence was Ritsuka. I don't recall any of the other characters directly speaking to her in this episode. Everything was about Ritsuka (Romani also got in some good banter with Merlin). I thought Thess would be the first to comment on that.

I mean, she was the one who told Merlin about Quetzacoatl's "gift," so there is that

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And her bringing up the "marriage" line was priceless

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ShadowSamurai365 · 2020-03-22, 13:30

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Originally Posted by Sheba

*look at Septem*

Hahah, no.

I'd rather have them doing Shimosa or Salem next if they want to do 1 5. Or go for the Part 2.

I would rather they wait for the Shimosa manga finish first before they even think of making an anime out of it (like to see how it goes, enjoying the manga surprisingly far...)

Thess · 2020-03-22, 23:00

You can improve Septem, the outline plot is fine (what if there was a United Eternal Roman Empire to replace Nero's reign which marks the beginning of the decay of Rome?), it's just some of the cast allies characterization that was off and that random Stheno island chapter. Turas Realta mangaka did a phenomenal job to tweak Okeanus (which was all right but the adapted version improved it on some many levels):

Spoiler for Some Turas Realta Okeanus changes spoilers:

His Orleans are just OK, but Okeanus really shone with the approved changes.

AC-Phoenix · 2020-03-23, 00:40

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Originally Posted by Thess

You can improve Septem, the outline plot is fine (what if there was a United Eternal Roman Empire to replace Nero's reign which marks the beginning of the decay of Rome?), it's just some of the cast allies characterization that was off and that random Stheno island chapter. Turas Realta mangaka did a phenomenal job to tweak Okeanus (which was all right but the adapted version improved it on some many levels):

Spoiler for Some Turas Realta Okeanus changes spoilers:

His Orleans are just OK, but Okeanus really shone with the approved changes.

The random Island chapter resulted in some really funny dialogue though

Spoiler for Septem dialogue:

Thess · 2020-03-25, 00:59

Oh, Roman's anime profile mentions he's a "fan of Magi★Mari" but there's no actual references to that in the show. Huh.

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Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Fate/Grand Order: Solomon anime project announced https://twitter.com/FGOAP_ep7/status...78380647247873 __________________

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Thess Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010	I'm kind of pissed off because this episode was good, and looking at the staff, it's the same one that worked on episode 0. It's giving me a headache the difference of quality between this and previous episode. I just hope for all that's precious to Nasu Solomon gets the episode 0 staff+the episode 18 action director and doesn't have the same series director from Babylonia. __________________ *"Who* would understand you after I die? Who else would march forward by your side?"**

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	That was a really good episode. I'm happy they took the time to give the major character a proper send-off. The Gilgamesh flashbacks were particularly great. There is one that bothered me though. Did Mash turn invisible or something? The only one that seemed to acknowledge her existence was Ritsuka. I don't recall any of the other characters directly speaking to her in this episode. Everything was about Ritsuka (Romani also got in some good banter with Merlin). I thought Thess would be the first to comment on that. __________________

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Thess Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010	You can improve Septem, the outline plot is fine (what if there was a United Eternal Roman Empire to replace Nero's reign which marks the beginning of the decay of Rome?), it's just some of the cast allies characterization that was off and that random Stheno island chapter. Turas Realta mangaka did a phenomenal job to tweak Okeanus (which was all right but the adapted version improved it on some many levels): Spoiler for Some Turas Realta Okeanus changes spoilers: Kiyohime who stuck around from Orleans got to be more than just a yandere waifu joke, but actually got a nice interaction with King David, including filling him in what kind of relationship Mash has with Chaldea's current head, Dr. Roman. Herakles recalling Jason's vow to him and his smiling face, which snaps him back to his sanity, making use of his ultimate Noble Phantasm because he wanted to protect him which can overturn the party until David sacrifices himself to kill him and saving Mash, having a flashback about finding out she is like a daughter to Roman. Roman's silent grief after David's death. Euryale confessing back to Asterios after his sacrifice, the game implied it with her despair of not wanting anyone to continue living if he's not here, but the manga straight out had her admit she loves him back. Jason charging back against Flauros only to be betrayed by Medea Lily who serves him now. His Orleans are just OK, but Okeanus really shone with the approved changes. __________________ *"Who* would understand you after I die? Who else would march forward by your side?"**

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Thess Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010	Oh, Roman's anime profile mentions he's a "fan of Magi★Mari" but there's no actual references to that in the show. Huh. __________________ *"Who* would understand you after I die? Who else would march forward by your side?"**

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Random14 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014	That dragged on a bit for me, with how they first said good-bye to Quetz and Jaguar then Merlin then Gil. Especially with how rushed some earlier battles were. The game just had them all meet up in one place after it was all over. And I'm a bit sad they skipped some of the funnier things like Quetz getting payback on Merlin for his earlier trick (not surprised, with how this adaptation has been, but still). Happy to hear they're adapting Solomon, but after how serious this series has been, I'm a bit wary of how they'll adapt it. I wish they had done some things differently but overall not bad series, I'm just happy to see a FGO animated series. Now just have to hope they handle the grand finale decently. There's probably enough content for at least six episodes, but stretching it out to 10-12 episodes might be too much. Well, here's hoping.