Real life gundam

[asaqe]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

Gundams would die just as fast. War machines are designed around several general concepts: high power-to-mass ratio, high mass-to-volume ratio, high mass-to-suface area ratio.
- A lighter war machine is generally a bad idea.
- The speed of a tracked/wheeled drivetrain will be superior to that of a legged drivetrain.
- Gundams wouldn't have any better armor than anything else; however it will have more surface area to armor.
- The amount of weapons would be determined by the mass of a unit, and by how much ammunition it could store. There isn't any real advantage in having more than one or two main weapons.

Hopefully, it will be a better development program than the Mitsubishi F-2 .

Well, to be frank, most mobile suits even on land rarely walk in gundam, rather they use thrusters and boosters to move around. They are more like impratical aircraft then tanks or in my case what happens when The A-10 Thunderbolt gets a total overhaul.

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by asaqe

Well, to be frank, most mobile suits even on land rarely walk in gundam, rather they use thrusters and boosters to move around. They are more like impratical aircraft then tanks or in my case what happens when The A-10 Thunderbolt gets a total overhaul.

If that were true, they wouldn't bother putting legs on them. Besides, we're not talking about mobile suits in the Gundam shows, we're talking about "real life Gundams".

[Tak]

Not to mention Gundams in Gundam (pardon the pun) aren't very aerodynamic. Now, imagine one of those in real life. You have something over 50 ft tall, the size of which I assume, would require immense power, not to mention fuel, to move.

Achieving that, the Gundam wouldn't have much of a maneuverability to speak of. No doubt that Gundam would be constructed with present-day materials. This meant, at best, uranium armor plating. Sure, it may also be impervious to small-arms fire, but in a world where most first-rate tanks utilize 120mm uranium AP shells... that thing is toast.

You can, however, get it out for shock value

- Tak

[duotiga]

I am thinking macross/patlabor type is more feasible for now than gundam.....

[duotiga]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

Hah! I've heard that the specifications say to build the airframe using 1000 yen bills .

F-2 is an overprice , oversize F-16 blk 40 airframe, using Agile Falcon technology.

[Tak]

Its no secret that the reason behind the F-2's existence is to keep the Japanese aero-industry happy. Cmon, why all the sudden fuss over the F-2, its not like the Japanese government or the JSDAF ever promoted it.

Besides, they will soon be getting JSF F-35s, why do they care.

- Tak

[VMSAWRSMSZ006Z]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

Gundams would die just as fast. War machines are designed around several general concepts: high power-to-mass ratio, high mass-to-volume ratio, high mass-to-suface area ratio.
- A lighter war machine is generally a bad idea.
- The speed of a tracked/wheeled drivetrain will be superior to that of a legged drivetrain.
- Gundams wouldn't have any better armor than anything else; however it will have more surface area to armor.
- The amount of weapons would be determined by the mass of a unit, and by how much ammunition it could store. There isn't any real advantage in having more than one or two main weapons.

- A lighter war machine is a good idea. Easier to transport, faster to store, lighter means faster. When the battlefield is constantly changing at a moments notice you'd want to be able to have machine that can match your speed.

- the speed of a tracked/wheeled drive train will be superior only if all battlefields are flat. Urban battlezone, legs are better, easier to navigate around obstacles or just jump over them. Enounter any hill? it takes a while to go over it. Gundams can just boost. Getting to a higher position? Easy with Gundam, just boost once again. Cuz you know, they're lighter. River to cross? Jump over it.

- Gundams wouldn't have any better armor that anything else, true, unless they create some sort of super metal like Gundarium, which they'd have to keep secret from enemies. And no, of course it doesn't exist yet. That's why they have to make one in the first place.

- You're right on this last part, I should've said, "Better Weapons." Beam Saber and Beam Rifle. Those are very "simple" yet effective weapons.

Everything about armor and weapons is still conjecture at this point. We still don't have the technology. We're all gonna have to wait until they've got one built to see if its better. Limiting our judgment based purely on what's out there right now will only serve to hinder our our creativity.

[kingsky123]

kinda funny if the robot trips in war

[Tak]

Originally Posted by VMSAWRSMSZ006Z

- the speed of a tracked/wheeled drive train will be superior only if all battlefields are flat. Urban battlezone, legs are better, easier to navigate around obstacles or just jump over them. Enounter any hill? it takes a while to go over it. Gundams can just boost. Getting to a higher position? Easy with Gundam, just boost once again. Cuz you know, they're lighter. River to cross? Jump over it.

Thats why we have developed helicopters, aircraft, and of course, the Fallschirmjäger (paratroopers).

Which are still more economical.

And to have 'robots' in real-life 'jump'... while still bearing heavy armor and all-those-goodies... thats going to be hard, and ridiculous upon execution.

Powered armor to an extent? Maybe. Robots the size of buildings, or even tanks? Not very pragmatic.

- Tak (At least Front Mission wanzers are equipped with tracking wheels to cruise over battlefields)

[2H-Dragon]

That's pretty much the problem with real life gundams. Any decent fighter jet would rock the shit out of it. =o

[4Tran]

We're talking about real life Gundams here, so most of these points fall to the wayside.

Originally Posted by VMSAWRSMSZ006Z

- A lighter war machine is a good idea. Easier to transport, faster to store, lighter means faster. When the battlefield is constantly changing at a moments notice you'd want to be able to have machine that can match your speed.

A 18m tall Gundam isn't easier to transport because both mass and volume are constraints. Ditto for storage. Speed is a better issue, but it isn't entirely governed by mass - instead, it's dependent on the power-to-mass ratio and the efficiency of the drivetrain.

Originally Posted by VMSAWRSMSZ006Z

- the speed of a tracked/wheeled drive train will be superior only if all battlefields are flat. Urban battlezone, legs are better, easier to navigate around obstacles or just jump over them. Enounter any hill? it takes a while to go over it. Gundams can just boost. Getting to a higher position? Easy with Gundam, just boost once again. Cuz you know, they're lighter. River to cross? Jump over it.

Legged drivetrains are inferior in just about all terrain types. Moreover, if a Gundam can jump, it'd be possible to put similar boost jets on a tank.

Originally Posted by VMSAWRSMSZ006Z

- Gundams wouldn't have any better armor that anything else, true, unless they create some sort of super metal like Gundarium, which they'd have to keep secret from enemies. And no, of course it doesn't exist yet. That's why they have to make one in the first place.

And if they created it, it'd be more effective to equip a tank with it.

Originally Posted by VMSAWRSMSZ006Z

- You're right on this last part, I should've said, "Better Weapons." Beam Saber and Beam Rifle. Those are very "simple" yet effective weapons.

A beam saber would be an awful weapon, and a beam rifle is just as easy to mount on a tank.

Originally Posted by VMSAWRSMSZ006Z

Everything about armor and weapons is still conjecture at this point. We still don't have the technology. We're all gonna have to wait until they've got one built to see if its better. Limiting our judgment based purely on what's out there right now will only serve to hinder our our creativity.

This isn't a matter of "limiting our judgement" at all. It's more a matter of determining what factors are advantageous and disadvantageous on a modern battlefield, and to apply such reasoning on a humanoid design. What is and isn't effective doesn't really change simply because technology progresses, and it's relatively apparent that while humanoid war machines may look cool, they're not very effective at all. Look here for far more arguments on the same topic.

Originally Posted by 2H-Dragon

That's pretty much the problem with real life gundams. Any decent fighter jet would rock the shit out of it. =o

Nevermind fighter jets - even infantry would slaughter them.

[Sobresaliente]

the problem about everything is a fighter jet would rock the shit out of everything, the only thing that cant take out a fighter jet is a fighter jet or AA missiles.

ok for the gundam to work, it would have to be modified hardcore. 50m, way to big, possibly like the M-9 in FMP, that might work, they are about half the size. as for weapons, modified cannons. im sure you can modify a tank cannon to use smaller ammunition and incorporate semi-auto action!!!. as for boosters, incorporate the JSF F-35 engine, maneuverable (can perform a "hop" type motion, and if you wanted to you can do a strafe movement. (it would be so ugly, but war isnt pretty so we dont need whimsical movement xD )

as for armour, i think that would be it's only downfall, the gundam of now would be a modified soldier with body armour. it would purely be an infantry killer unless weapons modified for light armour piercing.

[Tak]

I can't believe why we are having these debates in the first place.

The only way Gundams will have a chance at all, is if they are manufactured in the size of Terminators Endoskeleton T-800 and MASS PRODUCED.

- Tak

[Sobresaliente]

we are having this debate cuz those japanese CRAZIES are thinking of gundam weaponry.

[2H-Dragon]

Originally Posted by Sobresaliente

we are having this debate cuz those japanese CRAZIES are thinking of gundam weaponry.

It's just a matter of time the worlds downfall will be lead by a weapon that looks like a loli. Damn Japs!!

[glyph]

Originally Posted by Sobresaliente

ok for those of you who want real life gundams... get ready the japanese have plans for such suits.

www.aeug.blogspot.com (scroll down the page just a little bit and there is the article)


this is ridiculous and sound impractical but who knows it might work LOL

LOL, the Ministry of Agriculture is not in charge of gundam, the Ministry of Defense is.

[Sobresaliente]

Originally Posted by glyph

LOL, the Ministry of Agriculture is not in charge of gundam, the Ministry of Defense is.

??? i dont get it?

[Sobresaliente]

Originally Posted by 2H-Dragon

It's just a matter of time the worlds downfall will be lead by a weapon that looks like a loli. Damn Japs!!

LOL i know something crazy will come from japan.... godzilla or a gundam, that will kill us all

[mist2123]

Originally Posted by Sobresaliente

LOL i know something crazy will come from japan.... godzilla or a gundam, that will kill us all

but i think we all agree that dying in a loli's arm is far better than being crushed by GODZILLA / Gundam

[Sobresaliente]

oh yes agreed..... BACK ON TOPIC LOL what do you think the time frame would be that an actual functioning gundam would be feasible?