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Originally Posted by Magewolf
You basically just described what a Worf is. A supposedly strong character that exists to get their ass's handed to them to make someone else look better when they take out the big bad of the week.
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She isn't there to make Knight Leader look better, what does that job is the scene where it is stated that whoever is wielding Curtana Original will have powers equal to the angel Michael and those that follow that person will have the powers of an angel. Just because she is losing does not mean she is being worfed, she is just a character that lost to an enemy we already knew was going to easily defeat her (of course that is if you've been paying attention).
Go watch that scene again, Knight Leader had NOTHING to prove power level wise, neither did the episode frame it like that.
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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh
No, the basis of the entire series is overcoming those odds in the end.
Yes, that's exactly what a Worf does.
Acqua wouldn't be a good Worf because:
- he's already wounded,
- we don't know him enough.
What sets Kanzaki apart is that:
- she's a Saint, and we're beat over the head with the fact that Saint are much stronger than normal magicians. Though at this point it's a bit of an informed attribute...
- She loses repeatedly, not just occasionally.
- She does so precisely to demonstrate the power of her opponents. It's because she loses we conclude they are overpowered.
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It can't be a worf if there no reason to prove how strong the enemy is. As soon as angels and Michael comparisons were made we already knew how strong they were. Again, she is just a character that lost to an enemy that we knew was going to defeat her, NOT to prove how strong her foe is but to prove how far they are willing to go to follow their ideals.
You clearly didn't pay attention to the scene and how Knight Leader laments having to fight her to follow through with Carissa's plan. Also, notice how the episode is about characters following their resolve, Carissa going through with even killing her sister, Knight Leader defeating Kanzaki and Acqua fighting Knight Leader who is also lamenting having to fight his best friend.
Nothing in the episode tries to convince us of a characters strength through defeating another powerful character, for you to be able to use that trope it has to be done intentionally for for the sake of SHOWING THE NEW CHARACTERS STRENGTH. That was not the point of that scene and by focusing on the tv trope you ignore what was actually being shown. For example, Acqua killing Terra was a better use of that trope since that scene was meant to convey that not only is Acqua more powerful that the other members from God's right seat that were shown up to that point but that he also has a skewed moral code due to his GRS ability. Sure, the anime didn't do a good job at showing it, but that was that scene was created to do.
He would in fact make a great worf, Knight Leader defeating or just making him retreat would let us know how strong and serious Knight Leader is about following Carissa's plan, to the point of almost killing his best friend.
As for Acqua being wounded that not a good excuse when it cones to him, at best it takes him from 300% power to 260% and that is me low balling the power level he is at in this arc, and that is just because it was mentioned.
If you still don't know enough about him then you have not been paying attention to these last two arcs. In just this arc alone we are shown that he was supposed to be a Knight (his empty coat of arms in the palace and that one scene showing the past at the end of the last arc practically spell it out for you),m but chose to be a mercenary and then joined GRS. We also learn that he and Knight Leader were close enough to be friends and that Knight Leader is pissed that he turned down being knighted. We learn that he still cares for his country and is willing to return to protect it and the princess. All of this is in these episodes and the words the characters are saying and I even left out more information we already know on him at this point.
As for Kanzaki:
- We have already been shown that just being a Saint isn't that big of a deal, since they can still be beaten by normal magicians. I mean, just in the last arc Acqua who is probably one of the most powerful Saints lost to a group of normal ghetto magicians who created a spell to kill Saints.
- Actually this is the first rime she outright loses to an opponent. In Angel Fall she is able to hold back Michael, in the last arc even if she was being overpowered she still won alongside the other Amakusa and in the first arc of the series she overpowers Touma to the point he has to talk-no-jutsu her into letting him help. Outside of those she has barely appeared in the series, so saying she loses repeatedly is a bit of a stretch.
- By that train of thought, because Accelerator got owned by a Kihara (after a string of losing to Touma and getting crippled) we would conclude that the dude is overpowered (when all he did was use science to make a device that blocked Accelerators' ability). Like I said above, there needs to be intent to showcase the new characters power level for the trope to properly be used.
Whatever I'll leave at that (I got tired of this), let's just agree to disagree.
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