KanColle - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[Kakurin]

Well, that was bad. The composition of this episode was off. The major things:

- The entire Kai Ni thing. A bit sparkling, then disappearing, then reappearing looking a bit different and a bit taller. No word given about exactly why and what impact this has. I wonder how a non-gamer will think about this all. Probably just confused.

- The entire Fubuki drama felt forced. It unnecessry considering the road Fubuki has traveled and over the top with the depression taking so much space and time.

In addition the teitoku portrayal is meh. I think they've gotten into a dead end with this one. Trying to make him look competent while making him barely more than a shadow isn't working too well.

[VentAileron]

I am kind of surprised that people are so negative about this episode. I for one decently enjoyed it. I am also surprised this episode seems to be received worse than the last one, which is in my opinion the most boring and uneventful one up till now.

I am under the impression that many viewers still want this anime to be a plotless, slice-of-life, Kancolle player fanservice like show, which it was clearly not set out to be from episode 1. I think viewers are still trying to force their expectations on the show, instead of taking it in as is. Hyping things up based on an episode title isn't helping either.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by The Green One

Fubuki is the main character so it makes sense that it focuses on her.

Originally Posted by chaosprophet

And I wasn't expecting that much focus on Yuudachi anyway, as the anime been consistently focusing on Fubuki as the main character, with only one exception.

It isn't that we needed a complete focus on Yuudachi. That's not the issue. The problem with all the kai ni jazz was to have something that -show- what it is about.
Episode 4 was fine with the Kongou sisters and still focusing on Fubuki who was still concerned about Mutsuki due to ep3 aftermath and other things. Likewise, the fact they didn't focus heavily on Mutsuki didn't annoyed me as they still make her grief looming on few occasions which was enough.

As I mentioned before, it would have been much more interesting to have a glimpse of Yuudachi kai ni's performance. Even if they forgo that, they could simply have Kongou explaining her own case which gives an idea how different a regular ship and its kai ni form are.



Also, frankly, there were so many ways to introduce the kai ni system:
-Yuudachi gaining MVP (practice or patrol duty) then having her evolution
-Anime original stuff with Yuubari tinkering Yuudachi's equipment which has an effect on her
-Second attempt in crushing MO Base but stopped cold by Wo class kai, leading to a desperate situation which triggers a berserk mode in Yuudachi

These 3 simple presentations would be more interesting than Yuudachi's glowing out of nowhere.
But I could ignore that point if it wasn't for the very awkward padding and Yuudachi's remodel being completely sidelined and used for DRAMA.

Originally Posted by VentAileron

I am kind of surprised that people are so negative about this episode. I for one decently enjoyed it. I am also surprised this episode seems to be received worse than the last one, which is in my opinion the most boring and uneventful one up till now.

I beg to differ. Whereas episode 8 was quite slow, it actually went further in dynamics between characters like Kaga and Zuikaku, or more importantly, Yamato and Fubuki. Also the events of episode 8 established further the whole point of Operation FS.

Meanwhile, Episode 9 events didn't contribute anything to the general plot except the assault on the naval district, which is absolutely not related to whatever happened to Fubuki and Yuudachi in this very episode.

I am under the impression that many viewers still want this anime to be a plotless, slice-of-life, Kancolle player fanservice like show, which it was clearly not set out to be from episode 1. I think viewers are still trying to force their expectations on the show, instead of taking it in as is. Hyping things up based on an episode title isn't helping either.

You got it backwards: it is exactly because this episode didn't contribute to the main plot that I disliked it.
Yes, episode 6 and the likes didn't contribute anything special either, but at least it didn't shoehorned drama that was not necessary whatsoever. Considering we have only 3 episodes left, it just doesn't make sense to have the plot stagnate on an issue that isn't supposed to happen to begin with.

The funny thing is that episode 1 was actually very centred on fanservice for Kancolle players, to the point a lot of people were puzzled what the series is about. I personally think they don't need to shove game dialogues or even more cameo, as they need to proceed with the plot.

[DerGilga]

Originally Posted by IceHism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid

thanks!

Originally Posted by VentAileron

I am kind of surprised that people are so negative about this episode. I for one decently enjoyed it. I am also surprised this episode seems to be received worse than the last one, which is in my opinion the most boring and uneventful one up till now.

I can only speak for myself, but
a) the beginning (kai ni + comedy) was fine
b) Fubuki's talk with Yamato and Akagi was itself also ok, but the big eater jokes were kind of counterproductive to the mood of the scene
c) Fubuki downer moment was also fine, but then it was resolved 5min later making it kind of pointless
d) The attack happened and we have a destroyed navy district, but 2 min later they rebuild it with happy background music
e) the admirals gone, but I don't know him so I don't care at all
f) and shocking scene with Fubuki at the end did't shocked me at all, because I have no idea why I should be shocked. Is remodeling some kind of super rare or super dangerous training?

Basically things just happened with no real impact on me, the viewer.

[AntonKutovoi]

So Admiral is dead? I thought he was already killed off-screen by Nagato, so she could issue orders from his name

[Gravitas Free Zone]

The dramatic climax at the end with Fubuki singled out for a remodel is completely undercut by the rest of the episode that preceded it; Yuudachi has been working hard (almost entirely offscreen!) so she could get her Kai Ni, the process of which happened entirely offscreen (except for a pantyshot). Yuudachi did some more training that left her a little winded—almost entirely offscreen, and after she was Kai Ni. So all the viewer really has to expect for Fubuki's remodel is that she'll have to take her clothes off and some time later she'll emerge perhaps a bit taller, with a new look, though...

Spoiler for spoiler from the game information:

her in-game Kai Ni form hardly changes anything visually.

The episode just killed its own momentum by setting up the remodeling process as TOTALLY AWESOME, MAN! and then barely doing anything with it, then piling on the other two storylines. It might work better if someone is marathoning all the episodes (and presumably the next episode they go and fight something), but as something that we now have to wait a week for, it was a lot of sound but no fury.

[bhl88]

And I thought Fubuki was jealous of Yuudachi's poi-sets. *poi-ed away by the new Kai Ni*

Then Shimakaze interrupts the monologue talks about Fubuki not receiving Kai Ni despite being a flagship....

[KBTKaiser]

to answer from a gaming perspective, DerGilga, remodels are upgrades with no ability to downgrade after hitting confirm. For some girls people purposefully keep them in a lower form due to utility(Chitose and Chiyoda have an expedition that only they can do, so most people have two sets, one for staying in AV seaplane tender, the other set as their Kai Ni CVL Light Carrier form, other examples include keeping a spare Yuubari and Tenryu/Tatsuta for their economical fuel/ammo costs for expedition work) or for art preferences(Kongou Kai Ni got lots of backlash for the monkey ears, and a number of TTKs refused to upgrade U-511 Kai into Ro-500 due to the change in art)

[rladls2121]

Poi = It seems. At least that's I think.

This is really bad, they are all going to die!
The enemies also all going to die!
Leaving few survivers, for what?

[FlareKnight]

Start of this episode I was wondering why it was taking Yuudachi so long to digivolve .

I sure hope that Admiral knows what he's doing. When you try to force digi....I mean remodeling when the timing isn't right it could be problematic. If she isn't overheating like Yuudachi can she actually be remodeled? Oh well, if Fubuki turns into SkullGreymon it's not my issue.

Either way so the admiral who we've never seen is missing....so status quo? Not too much to worry about if a character that's never said anything isn't around to not say anything.

Props to Kongou. Once again she does a good job being a shoulder to cry on . Good job just letting Fubuki vent everything. Although I can't say I ever really like the Fubuki drama. For some reason I just don't feel that bad for her. Yuudachi clearly worked her butt off to get that upgrade and yet that gets pushed so Fubuki could feel bad. One person asked why not her and she goes off on a downward spiral. To get lifted up...and then back on another downward spiral.

[Wandering Soul]

Yuudachi finally evolved. We should get to see her in action soon so I'm looking forward to it. There's no real point in the Admiral disappearing since he is basically never around to begin with.

Fubuki's evolution is coming up next.

[Random Wanderer]

- The entire Kai Ni thing. A bit sparkling, then disappearing, then reappearing looking a bit different and a bit taller. No word given about exactly why and what impact this has. I wonder how a non-gamer will think about this all. Probably just confused.

...Um, they kind of explained exactly why and exactly what impact it has. It's not hard to understand when they explicitly say that she has been remodeled, that it's a result of the significant effort and experience she's put in, and that she now has notably more firepower than she used to.

[Flower]

Hafta admit I liked seeing the remodeled Yuudachi ... kudos to her hard work. And, of course, will enjoy seeing a remodeled Fubuki.

Kongou as a strong, kind and caring "onee-san" works a whole lot better for me than her silly side emphasis wise. She has been extremely helpful for poor Fubuki in the ups and downs she has gone through.

Also like the fact that the Abyssal Fleet stuck it to the KanColle fleet when they were not watching, that is, that it is emphasized that they are not just generic enemies to be shot down but are actually smart and dangerous opponents.

[~Yami~]

I have no complaint about this episode

Yuudachi kai-ni is one of the best destroyer around... which is why Fubuki got deserted so fast
I enjoy the drama though.. and also about the fact that Kongou always show up randomly and save the day
Envy and jealousy are overwhelming but they are tolerable

The ending is quite surprising... the naval base got destroyed
but they mess the drama a little since the naval base got rebuilded in no time
There is not much panic about disappearance of admiral as well

Admiral.. such manly act.. protecting your kanmusu waifu and even when you disappear, you leave orders for them
rather than seeing Fubuki Kai-Ni, I prefer to see others kanmusu Kai-ni like Sendai, etc

[Requiem-x]

Well, that is a very nice way to introduce Yuudachi's new form. And then we hit Kill la kill final episode syndrome. Not that everything was bad, mind you, I did enjoy Kongou getting to act like a big sister again, and Yuudachi is of course adorable, and it's not like Fubuki's situation should be unexpected, I mean, her fretting over not having a kai 2 was a long running joke in the official 4koma, so of course you have to do something like that. It just went a bit too fast. And yes, we could've used a bit more time with the little puppy prior to this, but hopefully we get more of her in the remaining time, and sure, Mutsuki too, she earned it.

Anyway, there's still 3 more episodes, and with all the mandatory drama out of the way (or flat out ignored) it should be smooth sailing from here, and by that I mean Fubuki and crew being badasses.

By the way, I actually thought Fubuki would be named provisional admiral at the end, so that might have to do with why I'm pretty ok with what actually happened.

Wait, how is she gonna get remodeled without shining?

Originally Posted by ~Yami~

rather than seeing Fubuki Kai-Ni, I prefer to see others kanmusu Kai-ni like Sendai, etc

Fubuki is fine. But Sendai is love and badass

[Seihai]

Overall I don't see how this episode is any worse than the others, or maybe I'm a bit indifferent about things. The way they presented Yuudachi's new form was rather disappointing, but I am sure that she will get her time to shine (assuming together with Fubuki but who knows) and that it will make up for the current disappointment of people regarding this.

Otherwise yeah, Fubuki's drama was uneccessary. They could have used that time more efficiently or at least not butcher it like they did.

Gamer wise I'm happy they finally gave Hiryuu and Souryuu's VA some lines for a moment.

[cloud04]

I actually wanna see a night battle now

[Requiem-x]

Originally Posted by cloud04

I actually wanna see a night battle now

Oh, I knew I was forgetting something! Yeah, yasen when? Was the staff afraid it wouldn't be erotic enough for the fanbase?

Also, forgot to mention too, I did feel bad for Fubuki when it seemed she was getting shafted for Yuudachi, so it's not like all the drama failed.

[Marcus H.]

I don't get why people are so sour about the Kai Ni thing. First off, Fubuki remains the lead, so any focus to other characters would probably act to accompany Fubuki's development.

- The entire Kai Ni thing. A bit sparkling, then disappearing, then reappearing looking a bit different and a bit taller. No word given about exactly why and what impact this has. I wonder how a non-gamer will think about this all. Probably just confused.

- The entire Fubuki drama felt forced. It unnecessary considering the road Fubuki has traveled and over the top with the depression taking so much space and time.

As a non-gamer, the previous scenes in the "infirmary" implies some things. Maybe it's a mere refitting of new equipment [KTKM+Ooi scene], maybe it involves some mad scientist-tier tweaking [the mechanic ship scene], or maybe it's a simple growth spurt. Fubuki will probably get a refitting most likely.

And Fubuki forced drama? Well, if you look back at the stuff revisited in the episode (her training and running around the Naval District, trying to get Akagi's praise, and wanting to make it to the First Fleet), you'd know how deserving Fubuki is to at least get a new group to hang out with. Instead, Yuudachi gets a remodel, her group is disbanded, and she's forced to sit this one out. She's literally being deprived of the perks of being a main character if we're going full meta about it. It's no surprise Fubuki would sulk about it, but she's also the type that doesn't let herself down for too long.

As for the "non-existent" admiral, well he's not so kuso this time. He's most likely brought out Fubuki as an unlikely scouting party while he sorts out what to do with MO and the Naval District left mostly undefended.

Let's see next episode if the admiral has everything sorted out.

[Miraluka]

Diomedea please... that's what you get for not showing Admiral...