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Old 2016-08-03, 15:37   Link #281
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Oh yea, that as well. The rate is pretty bad though, 30 gold pendants for 1 element... You will need 40 of the class proof (the symbols thing) for full stage Remodeling, and 20 more to access Tier 4 of some class. Pretty much not that viable in the grand scheme of thing!
It is more about the point cap of the gold pendant being so low rather than grinding is not efficient.

My DPS is like not even 1/10 of the Wind Mafia, and I can grind like 100+pt in an hour if I try.
Just imagine how fast the wind mafias are building up the points if they try?
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Old 2016-08-04, 04:02   Link #282
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So if i want to unlock class 4 through upgrading oliver, which need 700+ pistols stone, i can only pray for gacha roll to give me gun or i just sup tix a charac that comes with gun so that i can reduce it for a significant amount? Is there any more reliable method since my luck with gacha really is shit, wont know how long it will take to even get a ssr gun. Reducing non-gacha ssr gun seems like it will take forever to get 700+ stones...
If you can, i'd recommend that you buy Christina's gun from the casino 4 times and reduce it. It gives 200 pistol stones.
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Yeah I would rather not ( ._.)
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Is Grande the only way to get Blue Crystals aside from the daily missions?
They just added the challenge mission for the summer event, so you can get a blue crystal from that too.

But yeah, Grande is the other method afaik
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Old 2016-08-04, 05:53   Link #283
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Thanks for the advice guys, have decided to go for the nirvana instead. Though the staff stone is still difficult to get unless I luck out during gacha. I will be reaching HL in a few more ranks, is there any advice on what new things to do? Can I just poke random HL raids like I do for magna to gain the weekly points?
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Old 2016-08-04, 10:56   Link #284
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Summon HL raid are not recommended untill you fully complete a Magna set up. They are just way harder than any other raid due to how small the raid room is.

But you can go into Magna HL like every other raid just fine.
But two thing to watch out. There are some rules to follow in a Levi HL and Chevalier HL.

During Levi's HL, if you can't stop the water wheel's Tidal Fall buff, send a message to let everyone know.
Water Wheel has this special buff move when it hits max charge during over drive, which allows Levi to Tidal Fall every turn. (Tidal Fall is 20000 damage x 10 hits).

I just had a Tidal Fall accident a few days back. Someone in the raid couldn't stop the wheel to buff Levi, and the entire raid got devastated by the Tidal Fall. Thanks to that, that raid took almost half an hour to finish...

The way to stop the wheel from doing that is to sucessfuly hit it with a debuff. The wheel will reset all its charge whenever it has a debuff on.

As for Chevalier HL. She'll use Ageis Merge at 75% and 50% hp. She reset all her debuff when she hits 25%
Send out a notice with a stamp in the raid to let everyone know after you trigger them. So people won't use dispell for nothing.
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Old 2016-08-05, 02:23   Link #285
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Also don't just poke because you will only get max honor (+20 gold shines) if you do 100k contribution points in the raid. You won't get R/SR bonus as well so never come with one hit killer party like Yoda-Sarasa-Barowa or something lol.

Aside from the aforementioned 2 HL Magnas shmacchi covered, the other are less gimmicky and you don't need to pop stamp out in pubs.

Tiamat: 3 enemies. At every 25% HP intervals on her main body (1st HP bar), TiaHL will pull nasty debuff on you. Bring Veil. Only attack the first enemy in the row because once it's dead, Tia will die.

You want to stop the other 2 enemies from charging ougi either via Charm or Fear or Stun since in the OD, they can do nasty damages. Hopefully the raid has some Percy and SS-charm scattered.

Yggy: 2 enemies. Main body hits like a truck (4000 damage with max att debuff if you don't go Wind on her), so you need to debuff her with blind and charms. Her non OD ougi is easy to deal with, but the fun starts when she is in OD lol, since Luminex will buff her and debuff you with random effects.

The glowing ring should be dead before you move to kill main body.

But generally Wind are yakuza of the game anyway so once it breaks, people will dunk her fast.

Celeste: 18 Lightlords will kill it under 5 mins. Nah, you really won't die. Her gimmick is that she has 3 forms: normal (Normal and Hard island form), Mist (@75%. 1ct but won't attack you with normal attack, also resist stun), and CeleMagna (last 50%).

Chances are someone will stun her before she goes to mist mode or exactly after she is done with Mist mode, and she will be down in 3 mins after she turns to CeleMagna form, tops.

No idea about Colossus, but sword has HP and can do Dimension Slash while Main body use usual ColoMagna ougis?

Imvho, difficulty wise (Colo not counted because I never even went to his HL lol) I'd think: LeviHL > TiaHL > YggyHL > ChevHL > CeleHL. Water party mains...
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Old 2016-08-05, 02:40   Link #286
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Colossus HL is on par with Leviathan HL. There is "more room for mistake" as you don't exactly wipe the raid with a mistake, but your party can be annihilated in matter of seconds if you don't pay attention to his right arm charge turns (double dimensional cut is pretty much retarded if you can't deal with his OD).

The biggest issue right now though is that Colossus HL is so unpopular these days that it takes ages to kill it.
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Old 2016-08-05, 04:25   Link #287
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Summon HL raid are not recommended untill you fully complete a Magna set up. They are just way harder than any other raid due to how small the raid room is.

But you can go into Magna HL like every other raid just fine.
But two thing to watch out. There are some rules to follow in a Levi HL and Chevalier HL.

During Levi's HL, if you can't stop the water wheel's Tidal Fall buff, send a message to let everyone know.
Water Wheel has this special buff move when it hits max charge during over drive, which allows Levi to Tidal Fall every turn. (Tidal Fall is 20000 damage x 10 hits).

I just had a Tidal Fall accident a few days back. Someone in the raid couldn't stop the wheel to buff Levi, and the entire raid got devastated by the Tidal Fall. Thanks to that, that raid took almost half an hour to finish...

The way to stop the wheel from doing that is to sucessfuly hit it with a debuff. The wheel will reset all its charge whenever it has a debuff on.

As for Chevalier HL. She'll use Ageis Merge at 75% and 50% hp. She reset all her debuff when she hits 25%
Send out a notice with a stamp in the raid to let everyone know after you trigger them. So people won't use dispell for nothing.
How do you stop the tidal fall buffs? I looked at some video for levi HL and still can't understand how it works Then again I still have 20 more rank to level up just to play it so there's still more time to prepare for it

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Old 2016-08-05, 05:20   Link #288
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The biggest issue right now though is that Colossus HL is so unpopular these days that it takes ages to kill it.
Here's hoping for the Magna weapon update will save Fire team. The top tier waifu/husbando party did nothing wrong dammit, except that they got rigged to have Staff as the Magna weapon...!

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How do you stop the tidal fall buffs? I looked at some video for levi HL and still can't understand how it works Then again I still have 20 more rank to level up just to play it so there's still more time to prepare for it


S-shut up! w-we'll be stronk one day! ;__;
The water ring will buff main body in OD ougi. It's less about difficulty to stop the buff, but to not attack recklessly because there are chance someone activated the buff or you activate it, then the raid gets almost OHKed by accident.

I heard you can break the OD mode on Water wheel way easier now, but since I don't main water team and only tried TiaHL pre-nerf, I can't tell you anything. But as rank 100 newbie getting to LeviHL:

- Focus on Water wheel first, don't dispel the main body buff. You can't debuff water ring as well (since it will cleanse itself if you can debuff it)

- Be very, very careful when Water wheel is in OD. Try to deal massive damage in OD mode. You can dispel the Tidal Wave buff btw, but still it affects the whole raid, and if you didn't warn before pushing the attack button when it was at max ougi charge, everyone will send you Katalina's "WTF" stamp lol

As a plus, iirc the only dispeller in Earth team is... Summer Vira if you wish to challenge it with more ease in Earth element over other elements. Otherwise Bishop or EX Dispel.

(And don't worry, shmacchi is one of the water party victim as well! You poor bois...)
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Old 2016-08-05, 05:33   Link #289
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Oh so it's basically like normal levi magna where you warn other before attacking the boss when its charge bar is full when in OD, then dispel the buff like how we dispel reflect buff?



I have Naru for dispel but she might die if I'm not careful
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Old 2016-08-05, 06:51   Link #290
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Yep, the buff will be applied to main body instead of water wheel, so be careful to not dispel the wrong one!

On another note 1000 poker is so good. HASTA LA VISTA BINGO! \;_____;/
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Old 2016-08-05, 09:10   Link #291
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Thanks alot for the HL info. What HL raid should i focus on since I have no idea what drops they have. I have a fire and wind magna team.
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Old 2016-08-05, 11:01   Link #292
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- Focus on Water wheel first, don't dispel the main body buff. You can't debuff water ring as well (since it will cleanse itself if you can debuff it)
This is EXACTLY what you want to do with the Water Wheel.
Whenever the wheel resets itself after being hit by a debuff, it resets its entire ougi charge too.
So if you can't break the wheel out of the overdrive before it hits max charge, just debuff it and its charge will be back to zero.
But this reset does not effect whole raid. The wheel's charge is only reset in your fight only. Someone else can still make the mistake. So be very careful before hitting the attack button. Check if the buff shows on Levi all the time to avoid getting killed.
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Old 2016-08-05, 11:03   Link #293
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Thanks alot for the HL info. What HL raid should i focus on since I have no idea what drops they have. I have a fire and wind magna team.
Tiamat HL is pretty easy and die fast because her raid is popular. And boosting a wind mafia team further is always a good idea.
HL drops the required items to FLB a lot of weapons, magna weapons included.
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Old 2016-08-05, 11:16   Link #294
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This is EXACTLY what you want to do with the Water Wheel.
Whenever the wheel resets itself after being hit by a debuff, it resets its entire ougi charge too.
So if you can't break the wheel out of the overdrive before it hits max charge, just debuff it and its charge will be back to zero.
But this reset does not effect whole raid. The wheel's charge is only reset in your fight only. Someone else can still make the mistake. So be very careful before hitting the attack button. Check if the buff shows on Levi all the time to avoid getting killed.
I thought the debuff resistance on wheel is pretty high, shmacchi? I couldn't debuff it when I went with Bishop-MM.

But thanks for the correction! I did admit I only challenged LeviHL once pre-nerf and find it very troublesome.
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Old 2016-08-05, 11:41   Link #295
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I thought the debuff resistance on wheel is pretty high, shmacchi? I couldn't debuff it when I went with Bishop-MM.

But thanks for the correction! I did admit I only challenged LeviHL once pre-nerf and find it very troublesome.
Yes, the wheel's status resistance is pretty high.
But not to the point of trouble some if you hit it with Earth element.
Worse come to worse, Dark Fencer+Dispell pretty safe.

In other news Natsuki sensei.
It seems I am getting absolutely trashy rust weapons for my recent Baha raid and angel halo.
A part of me died a little when I had three rust gauntlets in a raw...
So, stop complaining about pulling summer Naru, okay? Stop pulling SSR at the expense of us!
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Old 2016-08-08, 06:49   Link #296
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So what should I focus on? Getting seals or rather get some SSR weapons to get stronger?
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Old 2016-08-08, 13:25   Link #297
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Weapons aren't exactly good without the seals, so you will probably have to farm both.
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Old 2016-08-11, 09:01   Link #298
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That goes just for celestial weapons, right? I am not sure I can get both these and seals needed, in other hand Septian burner (drop bonus) and Flohrenberk (SSR dagger fully uncapped from get to go) sound both attractive and manageable...

When I said weapons I meant these two.
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Old 2016-08-11, 09:35   Link #299
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That goes just for celestial weapons, right? I am not sure I can get both these and seals needed, in other hand Septian burner (drop bonus) and Flohrenberk (SSR dagger fully uncapped from get to go) sound both attractive and manageable...

When I said weapons I meant these two.
Just aim for 1 ep snipe on ex+ raids, you can earn easily points really. The ap/ep pots, and fury stones are the must buy other than your desired main weapon + seal.

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Old 2016-08-11, 20:09   Link #300
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That goes just for celestial weapons, right? I am not sure I can get both these and seals needed, in other hand Septian burner (drop bonus) and Flohrenberk (SSR dagger fully uncapped from get to go) sound both attractive and manageable...

When I said weapons I meant these two.
Flohhrenbrek (or whatever it's spelled) is also good to get more points in GW.
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