High School DxD Light Novel - DX.5 (Short Story Collection)

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by godz

the mutation is an exception to the rule, do you really want to give logic to the exceptions to the rule? and baalberith was influenced by the energy of hades (top 10) + the investigations left by lucifer to create a superdemon + lilith...As seen in dxd, the blood of the original maou is more powerful than the blood of a cadre ... I mean without counting longinus, the potential of ingvild and vali is much higher than that of akeno (direct daughter of baraquiel and a woman of a powerful Japanese clan)

And what I was referring to, if you have not noticed every time that issei better controls his powers from great red or ophis, vali manages to equalize it thanks to the properties of lucifer's blood ... vali even discovered a faster way e effective to summon albion.

If we have to be picky on bloodline, yes even on mutation, as for the fact that Ajuka Is as powerful as him and has not received a mutation.

HadesÂ’s energy is not relevant for BalberithÂ’s power. If for you itÂ’s illogic the bloodline, what about that only with a research of Nebiros with Lilith has been possible create a super devil able to reach dragon god level?

ItÂ’s not even so strange that about Akeno, all the direct descendants of the Maous were inferior to their father, only exception with Rivezim, as for his son. All DxD goes around Devils.

When Vali equalizes issei? The only exception is vol21 with the obtainment of DxD L. Actually he has not even received a power to contrast AxA (great redÂ’s power), as for heavenly breats and Eros Engine.

AlbionÂ’s summoning has been faster only because Vali uses DxD L, while issei used P DxD. Furthermore it was all a concept about release the sealed power inside the Longinus, Vali being more intelligent and smart with demoniac power and magic may find a way, especially after have seen issei does it.

[godz]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

If we have to be picky on bloodline, yes even on mutation, as for the fact that Ajuka Is as powerful as him and has not received a mutation.

HadesÂ’s energy is not relevant for BalberithÂ’s power. If for you itÂ’s illogic the bloodline, what about that only with a research of Nebiros with Lilith has been possible create a super devil able to reach dragon god level?

ItÂ’s not even so strange that about Akeno, all the direct descendants of the Maous were inferior to their father, only exception with Rivezim, as for his son. All DxD goes around Devils.

When Vali equalizes issei? The only exception is vol21 with the obtainment of DxD L. Actually he has not even received a power to contrast AxA (great redÂ’s power), as for heavenly breats and Eros Engine.

AlbionÂ’s summoning has been faster only because Vali uses DxD L, while issei used P DxD. Furthermore it was all a concept about release the sealed power inside the Longinus, Vali being more intelligent and smart with demoniac power and magic may find a way, especially after have seen issei does it.

Ajuka as Sirzechs are mutations, since Zeoticus refers to the two as demons that stand out from the logic and that there was no other worthy position for them than to be Maou.

Do you seriously doubt the capabilities of an investigation? A study is much more logical than something that comes out by lineage.

I used akeno because he is a mixed race like Vali or Ingvild and at the same time his mother was a relevant woman of the Himejima clan ... but you're right, everything in dxd revolves around the devil.

A child could come out of michael and a human, and even then it would not be as broken as rizevim, ingvild or vali ... the angels and fallen need a buff or else the control of the three factions will be only for the demons.

And on vali, well don't be surprised when I get a power-up form that equates AxA and ExE with lucifer's blood or something related to lucifer.

a super angel now there is nothing wrong and irina's son is a long way from being born

[saucerKing]

baalberith being as powerful as he is does kind of make sense. remember that the whole experiment was to make someone like him and hades had the book of lucifer and nebiros help, nebiros being a ridiculously talented genius considering he is stated to be the reason people keep bypassing kuoh barrier (a barrier in which many talented people worked on) along whit building portals to an entirely different world in less than a year and he has been working on this specific goal for hundreds of years, and even then they had to play the lilith gacha until they finally got a real success twice, out of a process to make superdevils only two of thousands were actually successful. if you see it like this, it makes complete sense baalberith exists, it was the fruit of 500+ years of research of a genius who dedicated probably good part of his life to it.

the reason IMO people like akeno have less potential is in her case because she ignored her fallen lineage for a long time (and even then she got to a 8 winged angel in a year!) and because naturally created angels might innately have less potential than devils, while i have no evidence to it i would see it logic that god who made them for a very specific purpose would somewhat limit their power or innate potential so if one rebels they are less of a potential menace. after all if he really needed some super uber angel he could create it later on. otherwise we would have someone like amaros who is implied to train physically constantly (his definition of anti-magic) be a 12 winged angel already so maybe they are caped at a certain level and impure angles and fallen just progress slower

yeah, angels too need their super angel to balance things but it could be worse, they could be grigori who got their best soldier stolen, their headquarters destroyed and are facing extinction. in this story its clear grigori got the shortest stick, hell their only relevant soldiers at this point are tobio and shigune

[Itsmepatrick]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

yeah, angels too need their super angel to balance things but it could be worse, they could be grigori who got their best soldier stolen, their headquarters destroyed and are facing extinction. in this story its clear grigori got the shortest stick, hell their only relevant soldiers at this point are tobio and shigune

Dulio has the chance to reach that level if Zenith Tempest is not a disappointment. I mean if you compare it to Star Blaster Star buster who can easily blow some non god class easily even if it is in its base state and Nereid Kyrie who can easily weaken Issei in his Cardinal Crimson Promotion in its base and they haven't even mastered it some degree like Dulio who's already using it for a very long time . And he's even dub as the strongest exorcists and strongest Reincarnated Angel .

There's something I want to ask is the Slash Dog Team considered a part of Grigori or not?

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Itsmepatrick

Dulio has the chance to reach that level if Zenith Tempest is not a disappointment. I mean if you compare it to Star Blaster Star buster who can easily blow some non god class easily even if it is in its base state and Nereid Kyrie who can easily weaken Issei in his Cardinal Crimson Promotion in its base and they haven't even mastered it some degree like Dulio who's already using it for a very long time . And he's even dub as the strongest exorcists and strongest Reincarnated Angel .

There's something I want to ask is the Slash Dog Team considered a part of Grigori or not?

he can reach that level when he starts using the more complex and bullshitty aspects of his longinus, controlling the 4 basic elements on a country level is already OP as fuck but he can control possibly everything that is non-biological in nature up to and including metals, even fantastical ones as long as they are "found in nature". IMO the real problem dulio has is that he is too nice to use the more wacky aspects of his power

they are, the slashdog team is a team of agents of grigori.

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by godz

Ajuka as Sirzechs are mutations, since Zeoticus refers to the two as demons that stand out from the logic and that there was no other worthy position for them than to be Maou.

Do you seriously doubt the capabilities of an investigation? A study is much more logical than something that comes out by lineage.

I used akeno because he is a mixed race like Vali or Ingvild and at the same time his mother was a relevant woman of the Himejima clan ... but you're right, everything in dxd revolves around the devil.

A child could come out of michael and a human, and even then it would not be as broken as rizevim, ingvild or vali ... the angels and fallen need a buff or else the control of the three factions will be only for the demons.

And on vali, well don't be surprised when I get a power-up form that equates AxA and ExE with lucifer's blood or something related to lucifer.

a super angel now there is nothing wrong and irina's son is a long way from being born

But only Sirzechs is classificated as mutation because he has a True form, while Ajuka not, as for Rivezim that even is inferior is always a super devil.

Certainly, investigation created from the nothing without gives information about it to the readers. If with a research i can create someone at the level of dragon god, so for God could be possible make Michael more powerful.

Dulio was the a candidate for it, however is strength is not enough, furthemore for how much seen Irina's son was not so powerful as Airi or Ex

To be honest, the control of the three factions is already under the devils since Sirzechs and Ajuka became Maous.

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

But only Sirzechs is classificated as mutation because he has a True form, while Ajuka not, as for Rivezim that even is inferior is always a super devil.

Certainly, investigation created from the nothing without gives information about it to the readers. If with a research i can create someone at the level of dragon god, so for God could be possible make Michael more powerful.

Dulio was the a candidate for it, however is strength is not enough, furthemore for how much seen Irina's son was not so powerful as Airi or Ex

To be honest, the control of the three factions is already under the devils since Sirzechs and Ajuka became Maous.

sirzechs has a true form because his power is of an entirely different nature than ajuka, ajuka power is calculations and manipulating phenomena trough it so what would his "true form" be? a calculator? a bunch of 1s and 0s floating around?

it was not created from "nothing", nebiros is implied to start studying superdevils on the end of dxd zero and we know for a fact koneko father who was working under him was researching that too. they had 500 years worth of research into it and it took 1000+ tries to get two superdevils, its not as far fetched as you say. and yes, god probably could've made much stronger angels but he either didnt because early installment weirdness (remember when the 4 original satans were compared to god? hah) or because he saw no need to do it since they were comparable to the satans, if something was above their paygrade they had daddy yaweh to kick their ass.

dulio simply did not live to his hype since they needed issei to somehow stand against him on their battle (frankly it should of been a stomp in dulio favor), when he first appeared he froze all of hades grim reapers that were on his temple, then he outright implies he can dance a mambo whit walburga and crom at the same time after utterly trashing the evil dragons sent to his level of heaven, then he comes off unscathed of fighting crom to finally murdering most of apophis evil dragon army in one move, him somehow ending in a tie whit issei was pure plot. dulio fought motherfucking crom and came unscathed and issei in CxC is too much?

the three factions? pal, they are practically the de facto leaders of the alliance and potentially the most powerful faction slightly below the hindu and only because of shiva, give them 3 more volumes and they will have more power than all factions put together.

[Itsmepatrick]

Well it's been stated through and through that Sirzechs equals in strength and they considered each other as their rival back in the day. Their power have different nature but they're sudden mutations as they've deviate from the usual devil because how Immense and abnormal their power is. I mean their power is in the "Top 10 strongest beings in the world " if that still isn't considered an abnormality/mutations then I don't know what is. Sirzechs's abnormality lies in his POD OK top of having immense strength while in Ajuka's case it's his ability to control all phenomenon using equations and formulas plus his unique Calculation Demonic as he was stated to be the only one among all devils who specializes in Creation.Somehow their similar to Vali and Issei or Draig and Albion ins way that they are mostly talk in pairs.

[Itsmepatrick]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

dulio simply did not live to his hype since they needed issei to somehow stand against him on their battle (frankly it should of been a stomp in dulio favor), when he first appeared he froze all of hades grim reapers that were on his temple, then he outright implies he can dance a mambo whit walburga and crom at the same time after utterly trashing the evil dragons sent to his level of heaven, then he comes off unscathed of fighting crom to finally murdering most of apophis evil dragon army in one move, him somehow ending in a tie whit issei was pure plot. dulio fought motherfucking crom and came unscathed and issei in CxC is too much?

Yeah there's also the fact that Dulio in his fight against Issei somehow became like a brawler and only uses Holy Power while exchanging punches against Issei which contradict to his fighting style which utilizes the Zenith Tempest at its fullest like what he normally do when he fought Crom,Cristaldi and Walburga. Cao Cao also became like that in his fight against Sairaorg he didn't use his usual fighting style plus his Balance Breaker and Truth Idea.

[B214]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

But only Sirzechs is classificated as mutation because he has a True form, while Ajuka not, as for Rivezim that even is inferior is always a super devil.

Certainly, investigation created from the nothing without gives information about it to the readers. If with a research i can create someone at the level of dragon god, so for God could be possible make Michael more powerful.

Dulio was the a candidate for it, however is strength is not enough, furthemore for how much seen Irina's son was not so powerful as Airi or Ex

To be honest, the control of the three factions is already under the devils since Sirzechs and Ajuka became Maous.

Why do you say Ajuka isn't a mutation? Have you seen any other Devils that has his powers/abilities. His demonic power is specialized on his interest on calculation. That can count as a mutation as well.

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

sirzechs has a true form because his power is of an entirely different nature than ajuka, ajuka power is calculations and manipulating phenomena trough it so what would his "true form" be? a calculator? a bunch of 1s and 0s floating around?

it was not created from "nothing", nebiros is implied to start studying superdevils on the end of dxd zero and we know for a fact koneko father who was working under him was researching that too. they had 500 years worth of research into it and it took 1000+ tries to get two superdevils, its not as far fetched as you say. and yes, god probably could've made much stronger angels but he either didnt because early installment weirdness (remember when the 4 original satans were compared to god? hah) or because he saw no need to do it since they were comparable to the satans, if something was above their paygrade they had daddy yaweh to kick their ass.

dulio simply did not live to his hype since they needed issei to somehow stand against him on their battle (frankly it should of been a stomp in dulio favor), when he first appeared he froze all of hades grim reapers that were on his temple, then he outright implies he can dance a mambo whit walburga and crom at the same time after utterly trashing the evil dragons sent to his level of heaven, then he comes off unscathed of fighting crom to finally murdering most of apophis evil dragon army in one move, him somehow ending in a tie whit issei was pure plot. dulio fought motherfucking crom and came unscathed and issei in CxC is too much?

the three factions? pal, they are practically the de facto leaders of the alliance and potentially the most powerful faction slightly below the hindu and only because of shiva, give them 3 more volumes and they will have more power than all factions put together.

How Dulio was nerfed from the plot? The freezing of Grim reapers, never described to be executive class as for the evil dragons who could be defeated even by Ravel easily is only because has an Aoe ability. Even Lavinia could kill faster more Devils than DxD L and P DxD having aoe ability.

Exept that it has been never described Crom to fight seriously, when since vol12 we know Dulio is not top 10 or else.

The three factions are the most powerful? Should be correct say only the Devil faction, because Fallen angels and Angels are enough weak even in confront to a mythology.

Originally Posted by B214

Why do you say Ajuka isn't a mutation? Have you seen any other Devils that has his powers/abilities. His demonic power is specialized on his interest on calculation. That can count as a mutation as well.

So even Rivezim is a mutation being a Super devil with a special ability? As for Milicas

[dnb]

Beneficial Mutations

Some mutations have a positive effect on the organism in which they occur. They are called beneficial mutations. They lead to new versions of proteins that help organisms adapt to changes in their environment. Beneficial mutations are essential for evolution to occur.

Everyone with power surpassing his lineage is a mutation, for example, Diehauser is a mutation, his father and grandfather are weak compared to other High-Class devils, but he was born a Maou-Class devil.

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

How Dulio was nerfed from the plot? The freezing of Grim reapers, never described to be executive class as for the evil dragons who could be defeated even by Ravel easily is only because has an Aoe ability. Even Lavinia could kill faster more Devils than DxD L and P DxD having aoe ability.

Exept that it has been never described Crom to fight seriously, when since vol12 we know Dulio is not top 10 or else.

The three factions are the most powerful? Should be correct say only the Devil faction, because Fallen angels and Angels are enough weak even in confront to a mythology.

might i remind you that this was hades palace? to think that there was no executive-class grim reapers there is absurd when its directly where their boss reside, not to mention he was being visited by sirzechs azazel and two longinus users so he would want even more security there.

when did ravel defeat evil dragons again?

crom wanted to fight dulio due to his reputation, even when holding back a lot he was having no trouble against vali and issei, not to mention he was never mentioned to be holding back. in fact why would he? he wanted to fight the trump card of heaven, that was the whole reason he was there so holding back would be stupid

which is exactly what i said? there is no "three factions" there is only the devils and their amigos. the angel and falen side are at this point more extras than anything considering one is at the border of extinction and the other is probably still under repairs from trihexa attack.

also, am i the only one that thinks is strange the devils never got attacked by trihexa? i mean even grigori who are largely irrelevant to apophis got attacked and they are pretty much neighbors so i find it weird apophis just decided to leave before attacking the devils too

[B214]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

So even Rivezim is a mutation being a Super devil with a special ability? As for Milicas

I believe he can fit in the mutation category. After all there's no other Devils with SG Canceler.

[Itsmepatrick]

It'll be great if Ishi will give Dulio,Tobio and Cao Cao some fights against some God class on the Evies side that way we will have some estimate on the full extent of their power.

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

might i remind you that this was hades palace? to think that there was no executive-class grim reapers there is absurd when its directly where their boss reside, not to mention he was being visited by sirzechs azazel and two longinus users so he would want even more security there.

when did ravel defeat evil dragons again?

crom wanted to fight dulio due to his reputation, even when holding back a lot he was having no trouble against vali and issei, not to mention he was never mentioned to be holding back. in fact why would he? he wanted to fight the trump card of heaven, that was the whole reason he was there so holding back would be stupid

which is exactly what i said? there is no "three factions" there is only the devils and their amigos. the angel and falen side are at this point more extras than anything considering one is at the border of extinction and the other is probably still under repairs from trihexa attack.

also, am i the only one that thinks is strange the devils never got attacked by trihexa? i mean even grigori who are largely irrelevant to apophis got attacked and they are pretty much neighbors so i find it weird apophis just decided to leave before attacking the devils too

There were mentioned to be frozen only “Grim reapers”. The only powerful Grim reapers mentioned were high class/ultimate near Hades. When appear a powerful grim reaper of executive class is mentioned.

Pluton even if there were enemies in the Sanctuary was in another place. Furthermore have more security is not necessary when Hades is very powerful and arrogant, as for the fact Azazel said him-self, Tobio, Sirzechs and Dulio could not match him (even if I have doubt of this bull-shit).

When Trihexa assaulted the Japan’s islands, she was fighting with Koneko. Furthermore the same dragons have been fought from sitri peerage in vol17.

Even Crom wanted to fight both Vali and Issei in Romania, but he was holding back. As for in Heaven he faced immediately Issei because wanted to fight him.

Both were not injured, so no one was fighting seriously. The reason of “I want to fight him” does not mean that he would have fought seriously as seen with the other matches. Furthermore Dulio has never been mentioned to be Top 10 even before vol23.

Originally Posted by Itsmepatrick

It'll be great if Ishi will give Dulio,Tobio and Cao Cao some fights against some God class on the Evies side that way we will have some estimate on the full extent of their power.

We have already seen the full strength of Dulio, only at the highest level of maou-class.

For Cao Cao I have serious doubts about his full strength. In vol18 True Longinus could not even eliminate Ladon, with Sairaorg even focusing all the light inside the spear could not eliminate Sairaorg after some direct hits. Even if there is to say he did not use the true BxB.

For Tobio I’m very curious, he is god-class but which level? Furthermore his original blade is pretty OP and cool

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

There were mentioned to be frozen only “Grim reapers”. The only powerful Grim reapers mentioned were high class/ultimate near Hades. When appear a powerful grim reaper of executive class is mentioned.

Pluton even if there were enemies in the Sanctuary was in another place. Furthermore have more security is not necessary when Hades is very powerful and arrogant, as for the fact Azazel said him-self, Tobio, Sirzechs and Dulio could not match him (even if I have doubt of this bull-shit).

When Trihexa assaulted the Japan’s islands, she was fighting with Koneko. Furthermore the same dragons have been fought from sitri peerage in vol17.

Even Crom wanted to fight both Vali and Issei in Romania, but he was holding back. As for in Heaven he faced immediately Issei because wanted to fight him.

Both were not injured, so no one was fighting seriously. The reason of “I want to fight him” does not mean that he would have fought seriously as seen with the other matches. Furthermore Dulio has never been mentioned to be Top 10 even before vol23.



We have already seen the full strength of Dulio, only at the highest level of maou-class.

For Cao Cao I have serious doubts about his full strength. In vol18 True Longinus could not even eliminate Ladon, with Sairaorg even focusing all the light inside the spear could not eliminate Sairaorg after some direct hits. Even if there is to say he did not use the true BxB.

For Tobio I’m very curious, he is god-class but which level? Furthermore his original blade is pretty OP and cool

pal, an "executive class" is an ultimate-class grim reaper, also again its literally the temple of their head honcho, there being no executive-class there (aside of pluto who was out on a mission) is ridiculous.

yeah pluto was out but hades is still a god damn god, he is going to have security since even if he is very powerful he is still a very important being. that is like saying hades has no army because he is very powerful, and to be fair azazel assumption in context makes sense, he did not know how powerful sirzechs true form was and tobio and dulio along whit two maou class beings are not exactly competence for hades, that sirzechs ended up being so fucking strong was not in azazel plans.

but there is no mention of her defeating them then? also the sitri perage are all trained and experienced whit powerful weapons or sacred gears to booth.

on romania he was under orders so he limited himself to just stalling, on heaven by that point he already was going to quit so there was no reason at all to limit himself

so dulio came uninjured from a fight whit crom who this time was not playing on the defensive while vali and issei were unable to do jackshit to him when he was not even trying, dunno you but that is well above "maou-class", also again he had no reason to take things lightly since he wanted to fight dulio and unlike whit issei fight he was not under orders anymore.

no, we have seen that ishibumi can only write fist fights. on the fight whit trihexa we see dulio what his balance breaker does, on his fight whit issei he never uses the bubbles and goes straight into a fist fight that he outright stated was not his strong suit, on all other fights we see dulio fighting by spamming AoE attacks whit ease and fighting from long range, on issei fight he never even tried to attack anybody up until the last part where he fought the worst way possible.

dulio match whit issei was the equivalent of a guy who can call for airstrikes fighting by smashing someone head whit his walkie-talkie. he used his powers in the most inane ways (when he even used them) and fought on melee when he is a long range fighter. that whole fight was plot because ishibumi wanted issei to lose but did not want to write the stomp that match should have been since issei was not only weaker but also faced a guy who could take out his whole team whit a flick of his wrist

[Itsmepatrick]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

dulio match whit issei was the equivalent of a guy who can call for airstrikes fighting by smashing someone head whit his walkie-talkie. he used his powers in the most inane ways (when he even used them) and fought on melee when he is a long range fighter. that whole fight was plot because ishibumi wanted issei to lose but did not want to write the stomp that match should have been since issei was not only weaker but also faced a guy who could take out his whole team whit a flick of his wrist

Yeah I completely agree with you. Dulio fought Issei using fist and his Holy Power contrary to his usual fighting style which is utilizing Zenith Tempest and performing wide range attacks. He didn't even used the Bubbles he used when he fought against the mass produced Scalemail armors .

Similar example of this is Cao Cao in his fight against Sairaorg as Cao Cao didn't use his sub species balance breaker and he didn't also use Truth Idea to defeat him .Ishi should give them a proper fight against the god class Evies so that we can gauge the full extent of their power.

[Lucidrago]

Well we can all agree that Ishibumi is only good at writing certain fights. He has literally rewrote Issei vs Sairaorg three times with Issei vs Dulio, Issei vs Saji, and Sairaorg vs Balberith. He seems to have a hard time writing fights where the two opponents have completely different fighting styles. I just don't like how Dulio just became a hand-to-hand and not using basically his strongest weapon, Zenith Tempest.

[B214]

More like he wasn't sure how to write for Ise's fight anymore. Ise = fist fights.

To me, i feel that Ishibumi is trying too much with the story at once hence why the writing feels kinda lacking at the moment.