Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu (月が導く異世界道中) [WN]

[Namorax]

My five cent on the Hibiki discussion:

We should also keep in mind that these "heroes" are highschoolers
We shouldn't expect them to actually sit back and look at the situation logically while weighing all pros and cons of their every decision (To be hoenst, how many adults would actually do that?). Even Makoto isn't "perfect", since we can see how some of his decisions are quite naive and are to be expected of a normal teenager from our world.

Hibiki and Tomoki are highschoolers who get called to a different world where a goddess gives them a divine quest.
History has shown how people (who never met god) convinced themselves of their "righteousness" and committed countless atrocities in the name of religion. God is right, they act in the name of god and therefore anything they do in the name of god is automatically right... I'm sure everyone has heard something like that before.
Tomoki is living the dream of every teenage boy who loves to read "transported to another world" LNs: cheatlike powers, "plotarmor" that ensures he cannot die and a harem of people who love him unconditionally because he is "da hero". He doesn't even think of questioning the situation because... why should he?
And on top of that all, he is unlike Hibiki because he fell into the hands of Lili .Even if he had any chance of turning around and becoming a "decent" hero, Lili's machinations practically doomed him. I do not rage against him, I pity him because there is nothing left for him (or of him) once the story ends. Makoto might've been able to "reform" Tomoki, but we've already seen that he doesn't care...

Hibiki shows more restraint, probably because women are typically more mature for their age compared to boys. While she didn't buy completely into the whole "the goddess of this told you to do this, so anything you do is automatically "justice"", the only people around her are the hyumans, so she is bound to be influenced by them.
Like others have said, even if she tried to "change the world for the better", once her closest friends are killed it becomes impossible for her to sit back and/or try to achieve peace.

If Makoto happens to force the entire world into an armistice where peaceful coexistence becomes possible (isn't it wonderful what a powerful third party can do?^^), she would probably be able to accept it, but right now, she just wants to protect the people around her from "everything".
And that just means that she also has to be wary of Makoto because she currently has a "we" and "them" mentality. She doesn't want to wipe out all demons and mamonos, she just wants to create a peaceful world for the hyumans.
It just happens to be that this kind of world would be less than desirable for said demons and mamonos.... apart from that she is just like you would expect a female japanese highschooler to be.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Namorax

My five cent on the Hibiki discussion:

We should also keep in mind that these "heroes" are highschoolers
We shouldn't expect them to actually sit back and look at the situation logically while weighing all pros and cons of their every decision (To be hoenst, how many adults would actually do that?). Even Makoto isn't "perfect", since we can see how some of his decisions are quite naive and are to be expected of a normal teenager from our world.

Hibiki and Tomoki are highschoolers who get called to a different world where a goddess gives them a divine quest.
History has shown how people (who never met god) convinced themselves of their "righteousness" and committed countless atrocities in the name of religion. God is right, they act in the name of god and therefore anything they do in the name of god is automatically right... I'm sure everyone has heard something like that before.
Tomoki is living the dream of every teenage boy who loves to read "transported to another world" LNs: cheatlike powers, "plotarmor" that ensures he cannot die and a harem of people who love him unconditionally because he is "da hero". He doesn't even think of questioning the situation because... why should he?
And on top of that all, he is unlike Hibiki because he fell into the hands of Lili .Even if he had any chance of turning around and becoming a "decent" hero, Lili's machinations practically doomed him. I do not rage against him, I pity him because there is nothing left for him (or of him) once the story ends. Makoto might've been able to "reform" Tomoki, but we've already seen that he doesn't care...

Hibiki shows more restraint, probably because women are typically more mature for their age compared to boys. While she didn't buy completely into the whole "the goddess of this told you to do this, so anything you do is automatically "justice"", the only people around her are the hyumans, so she is bound to be influenced by them.
Like others have said, even if she tried to "change the world for the better", once her closest friends are killed it becomes impossible for her to sit back and/or try to achieve peace.

If Makoto happens to force the entire world into an armistice where peaceful coexistence becomes possible (isn't it wonderful what a powerful third party can do?^^), she would probably be able to accept it, but right now, she just wants to protect the people around her from "everything".
And that just means that she also has to be wary of Makoto because she currently has a "we" and "them" mentality. She doesn't want to wipe out all demons and mamonos, she just wants to create a peaceful world for the hyumans.
It just happens to be that this kind of world would be less than desirable for said demons and mamonos.... apart from that she is just like you would expect a female japanese highschooler to be.

Just wanted to point out that here the goddess is an actual bitch.

[m4rc0s]

Originally Posted by Namorax

My five cent on the Hibiki discussion:

We should also keep in mind that these "heroes" are highschoolers
We shouldn't expect them to actually sit back and look at the situation logically while weighing all pros and cons of their every decision (To be hoenst, how many adults would actually do that?). Even Makoto isn't "perfect", since we can see how some of his decisions are quite naive and are to be expected of a normal teenager from our world.

Hibiki and Tomoki are highschoolers who get called to a different world where a goddess gives them a divine quest.
History has shown how people (who never met god) convinced themselves of their "righteousness" and committed countless atrocities in the name of religion. God is right, they act in the name of god and therefore anything they do in the name of god is automatically right... I'm sure everyone has heard something like that before.
Tomoki is living the dream of every teenage boy who loves to read "transported to another world" LNs: cheatlike powers, "plotarmor" that ensures he cannot die and a harem of people who love him unconditionally because he is "da hero". He doesn't even think of questioning the situation because... why should he?
And on top of that all, he is unlike Hibiki because he fell into the hands of Lili .Even if he had any chance of turning around and becoming a "decent" hero, Lili's machinations practically doomed him. I do not rage against him, I pity him because there is nothing left for him (or of him) once the story ends. Makoto might've been able to "reform" Tomoki, but we've already seen that he doesn't care...

Hibiki shows more restraint, probably because women are typically more mature for their age compared to boys. While she didn't buy completely into the whole "the goddess of this told you to do this, so anything you do is automatically "justice"", the only people around her are the hyumans, so she is bound to be influenced by them.
Like others have said, even if she tried to "change the world for the better", once her closest friends are killed it becomes impossible for her to sit back and/or try to achieve peace.

If Makoto happens to force the entire world into an armistice where peaceful coexistence becomes possible (isn't it wonderful what a powerful third party can do?^^), she would probably be able to accept it, but right now, she just wants to protect the people around her from "everything".
And that just means that she also has to be wary of Makoto because she currently has a "we" and "them" mentality. She doesn't want to wipe out all demons and mamonos, she just wants to create a peaceful world for the hyumans.
It just happens to be that this kind of world would be less than desirable for said demons and mamonos.... apart from that she is just like you would expect a female japanese highschooler to be.

Thank god, someone who also see the novel and the entire situation of the heroes with the same vision as i and also can write a lot better than me too.

Originally Posted by bakato

Just wanted to point out that here the goddess is an actual bitch.

yes, but we know that because we have more information than both of them.
Hell, if the goodness did not had throw makoto away the way she did. , she would be a really "normal" god, that we see in every other story.
yes, she is racist, but we see her as that, because we have the complete picture of all events, if we had the MC as hibiki or trashmoki, we would not have all the information and we would see the devils and evil too.
hell until today i want the author to pull some plot armor and bring back that swordwoman, i wanted a sub-plot where makoto had bring her to asora, and she would become tomoe samurai apprentice and so on, it would be good, so we can have more exposure of the entire hyuman side from someone who was fighting in the war.

[Rreelentless]

Originally Posted by m4rc0s

Thank god, someone who also see the novel and the entire situation of the heroes with the same vision as i and also can write a lot better than me too.


yes, but we know that because we have more information than both of them.
Hell, if the goodness did not had throw makoto away the way she did. , she would be a really "normal" god, that we see in every other story.
yes, she is racist, but we see her as that, because we have the complete picture of all events, if we had the MC as hibiki or trashmoki, we would not have all the information and we would see the devils and evil too.
hell until today i want the author to pull some plot armor and bring back that swordwoman, i wanted a sub-plot where makoto had bring her to asora, and she would become tomoe samurai apprentice and so on, it would be good, so we can have more exposure of the entire hyuman side from someone who was fighting in the war.

the goddess is characterised by her vanity which makes her kind of atypical as most of the time it's just pride for god's in my opinion

[m4rc0s]

Originally Posted by Rreelentless

the goddess is characterised by her vanity which makes her kind of atypical as most of the time it's just pride for god's in my opinion

Well, at the start it may seen so, but pride alone would not make her do what she have done with the world, her prides makes her have disgust with every other life form and by extend "races" that is not the one she have mold herself or that does not reach her "values" of beauty.
for me and many people here ( i believe): when we say that she is racist is more about her actions in the long run and her influence in the race that she have made,the actions of the hyumans in the novel represents the value of the goodness, we have multiples chapters talking of how big her influence is to cite one: it is implied(said) that in wars that happens with hyumans against hyumans she would only "bless" the side that she is identified with, so they have made studies and have appoint generals of the army that satisfy the goodness in any way possible, so in the long run after multiples generations those actions and values have been infused deep in the hyumans, after all being a successful general is something to have pride in a nation that mainly goes to war to eliminate every other in the world.
Pride can be use as fuel to be and create racism as well, hell most types of racism that exist until today uses some form of "pride" as excuse for their actions.

[Crossthought]

Originally Posted by Firestar2471

They are still in use just there hasn't been a need for them since chapter 69 (I think that's the right one). Since they are expensive the demon army doesn't want to use them and they have only had the generals fight the hero's one more time after that battle. In the fight against Hibiki the power of ring wasn't needed and against Trashmoki his brainwashing of Sofia, however slight, prevented her from activating it.

Thanks for the reply

I pity the heroes a single use of that item will make them practically useless

[Firestar2471]

.. An accident should be arranged for the Academy Principle.. additionally Makoto's misunderstanding of the relationship of Tomoe and Lily and giving her a headache was funny.

[Crossthought]

Makoto got lucky in tsige by having a non douche authority

[J4n1]

Originally Posted by Crossthought

Makoto got lucky in tsige by having a non douche authority

You mean Hyumans got lucky in Tsige by having a non douce authority?

[Namorax]

Nah, Tsige wasn't beautiful enough for the goddess to bother looking at it, so people had to make do on their own.
If you're busy surviving, you don't care if the person besides you is a beast-people or ugly. You care about talent and surviving.^^

[Areswarlord]

so how much of a difference is there between the WN and the LN

[Breimn]

What happened? Why is that "person " back? Will join harem perharps?Or perharps be shipped with someone else?

[travelingbum]

^if anyone is lost as to what Breimn said
it's the latest raw

Spoiler for :

Sofia is back

she be as young as his students.... of course no memories or whatever from before....
now what be the connection of Sofia and Miranda.... fake name in the past? Root did some stuff?

all we get is young Sofia is back..... a japanese be headed to Tsige for some reason....

so then will she be joining the harem or be shipped with Jin.

[Keitaro hutako]

Ohhhh author trying to redeem himself eh?

But damn didn't see that coming.... Or maybe it was just me that was unprepared?

[Darius Drake]

Spoiler for Spoiler ^ Spoiler (response):

I can't say I'm overly surprised. Sure, she died, but spoilers and what's been translated have heavily implied that Sofia is a child of one of the Superior Dragons gained through the partnering and eventual death of a Human.

Basically, Sofia's been implied to have the body of a Superior Dragon and soul of a Human. Which would give her a "resurrection" type ability in the same vein of a Superior Dragon, but likely worse in some fashion. For Sofia's case, and I suspect all cases of these, the "worse" or "weakness" of the ability is that it wipes their memories each time. Which, quite honestly, I would prefer to what the pure-bread Superior Dragons go through.

[moneng85]

Eh btw what is Root's relationship with Makoto after their fight?(i heard they fought because it can make Root into a god?)

[jpidz69]

If sofia met raido again then does that mean that he has already left Laurel/Labyrinth and is already back?

[travelingbum]

you already know how they get around in translated chs.
but he will be checking on Tsige before returning back to Laurel/Labyrinth.

Originally Posted by moneng85

Eh btw what is Root's relationship with Makoto after their fight?(i heard they fought because it can make Root into a god?)

what?
nothing changed.... and dunno where you heard that false thing.

[m4rc0s]

Originally Posted by Darius Drake

Spoiler for Spoiler ^ Spoiler (response):

I can't say I'm overly surprised. Sure, she died, but spoilers and what's been translated have heavily implied that Sofia is a child of one of the Superior Dragons gained through the partnering and eventual death of a Human.

Basically, Sofia's been implied to have the body of a Superior Dragon and soul of a Human. Which would give her a "resurrection" type ability in the same vein of a Superior Dragon, but likely worse in some fashion. For Sofia's case, and I suspect all cases of these, the "worse" or "weakness" of the ability is that it wipes their memories each time. Which, quite honestly, I would prefer to what the pure-bread Superior Dragons go through.

Spoiler for my 2 cents on the subject about the connection with a superior dragon.:

on a little extra information, i'm pretty sure that if she is descendant/connection with some dragon it would be root. now she can be direct child like you said( but i do not think so), or more like some type of experiment, because i remember a vague line from root, that he says that he gave her the power himself like she was one of his "many plans" to start something but one she tried to fight makoto he had "choose makoto" over her and choose to take the power/ability back like we have seen, or something like that, implying that she is strong as she is because of him or something that he did. so at least i believe that the entire ability to fuse so well with the dragons and everything else, is because of him. on a more extra note, i believe that she may be a daughter from a descendant from root but can not be a direct child of a superior dragon, at least so far the novel and the interaction we have about her and all the superior dragons, does not point to her being a direct descendant in any way, after all she killed half of them and was trying/wanted to kill the other half.

Spoiler for my impression of why sofia is back a little younger.ps: it is just a theory.:

now about the entire resurrection part, it was never implied that she really died, only that root took the "core power" of the dragons she have killed and by that she was like a corpse, because of the entire fight and so on. but dead, never, it was just implied because we simple do not had more news of her, contrary to the swordwoman from hibiki's party that the author have mentioned a lump of burned flesh/thing after her suicide attack on Io, but on sofia we never had any mention of her "dead body" and mainly we never had any information about root leaving her body there to rot or be eaten , like nothing of what have happen to her body.
i will at least give more credits to the author than say that he is starting to use the "resurrection plot", because this never works well for any novels, and like i wrote before, we simple never had a clear say on her dead body.
now to end: about the lose memory and body's age regression , it can come from multiples sources but for me i believe it would like a side-effect with all the dragon powers being removed by root, after all she was in a pretty fucked up state , so even body's age regression is something that i can see happening: and we have two facts to say that his is possible.
first: is pretty clear that the core of her power come from the dragons
two: we have this happening before with "lancer's" body , that at the start he had a child body because he was not yet at his full power, later on with the fight with shiki he had already in a early adult form, because he had recovered more power.
If we take this from context, the same thing can have happen with sofia, she was "Only" at adult body form, because the dragon power from the start had a grow effect on her body or simple the forcefully way that Root have use to remove her power, have made her body to stabilize in a more early/weaker state of power, and thus a younger body.

[Firestar2471]

Originally Posted by Darius Drake

Spoiler for Spoiler ^ Spoiler (response):

I can't say I'm overly surprised. Sure, she died, but spoilers and what's been translated have heavily implied that Sofia is a child of one of the Superior Dragons gained through the partnering and eventual death of a Human.

Basically, Sofia's been implied to have the body of a Superior Dragon and soul of a Human. Which would give her a "resurrection" type ability in the same vein of a Superior Dragon, but likely worse in some fashion. For Sofia's case, and I suspect all cases of these, the "worse" or "weakness" of the ability is that it wipes their memories each time. Which, quite honestly, I would prefer to what the pure-bread Superior Dragons go through.

Forget implied it is outright stated she is one of Roots descendants (Not sure if she is her direct daughter though will need to wait till the relevant chapter to clarify). However, she doesn't have the superior dragon resurrection thing. Root killed her and then resurrected (or rejuvenated? recreated maybe? its fairly confusing plus we don't get any information other than the fact she is alive and well if slightly changed) her to her teenage self and apparently (if I read the latest raw right) altered her memories heavily.

Originally Posted by moneng85

Eh btw what is Root's relationship with Makoto after their fight?(i heard they fought because it can make Root into a god?)

Same as normal? As for the second half whoever told you that was blowing smoke up ur arse. The fight was a growth point for Makoto and thats about it. If you want to know why Root showed up there are more detailed summaries back on earlier pages in this forum.

Originally Posted by jpidz69

If sofia met raido again then does that mean that he has already left Laurel/Labyrinth and is already back?

Spoiler for Latest Raw:

Still in Laurel just briefly left. Something happened to Jin while he was training under Kuzunoha's guidance and he was saved by her (sofia). Then after Makoto finished talking to Shiki (he opened a gate to the country he founded with Eva the librarian) and was preparing to leave someone knocked on the door and in came a young innocent Sofia