High School DxD Light Novel - Character Speculation/Theories: Issei's Harem

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by Malicre

Im not sure if i agree with you on Sairaorg being a better maou candidate than Ise, sure Sairaorg has the lineage but all the underworld kids (basically the next generation as a whole) look up to Ise / Oppai Dragon, he has great influence in the underworld, its one of the reasons Zekrum Bael wanted Ise to become a Maou.

I was talking as a candidate as Sona's partner/husband.

And Ise would be a terrible Maou, he's not a politician or an inventor or a strategist. He's a fighter and a symbol. That's not enough to make someone a leader.

And for the hundreth time, Ise would never become a Maou sice he wouldn't be alowed to have a harem.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

@ImperialFlame
To add a little bit, Sairorg has shown that he's not only smarter and more capable as a leader than Issei is and he's got the well being of the underworld first and foremost in his mind. Issei, while he fights for good causes, is an idiot and pervert only suitable to be a figure head and pretty much everyone around Issei knows that. Issei isn't Maou material not now at least, maybe in a few hundred years.

By the way as much as i like Issei i dont think he will be Maou material ever because of the fact that 70% of what the Deivl world likes about Issei he gained from Ddraig and not from himself. (in fact it can be argued that issei is only considered as a Maou because of Ddraig). And Sairoarg is smarter and more capable then Rias.
This is not the place for this discussion so lets move it to another section.

[Tbolt]

I don't really care but IMHO Sona's nature and make up will never allow her to be with Saji. Sona already told Ise that because of the nature of being a high class Devil she could not help Rias when she was having problems, its not in the nature of high class Devils to care about other peoples problems no matter who they are. Sona takes great pride in her standing in her family and as a High Class Devil, if you think she would throw her standing in her family away for Saji you need to look how the Devil society works as laid out in the LN. Someone please share the story part where Sona shows any type of romantic feeling for Saji, she shows happiness that he is getting stronger but as in a member of her peerage and nothing more. But that's just my opinion put into writing.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

I was talking as a candidate as Sona's partner/husband.

And Ise would be a terrible Maou, he's not a politician or an inventor or a strategist. He's a fighter and a symbol. That's not enough to make someone a leader.

And for the hundreth time, Ise would never become a Maou sice he wouldn't be alowed to have a harem.

Sairoarg as a candidate for Sona's partner is truly idiotic. Other then youth devils the fact is what you have is Rias's best friend and her cousin. She contacted Sairoarg because of the fact that she wouldnt be able to console her properly and Sairoarg best knows a personality like Issei's so he would tell her what she needed to here.

Sona doesnt need to be shipped with anybody in fact it feels like she's best suited NOT to be with anybody. Her personality seems to be one that falling in love would get in her way (and i dont think she's far off in that regards).

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Sairoarg as a candidate for Sona's partner is truly idiotic. Other then youth devils the fact is what you have is Rias's best friend and her cousin. She contacted Sairoarg because of the fact that she wouldnt be able to console her properly and Sairoarg best knows a personality like Issei's so he would tell her what she needed to here.

Sona doesnt need to be shipped with anybody in fact it feels like she's best suited NOT to be with anybody. Her personality seems to be one that falling in love would get in her way (and i dont think she's far off in that regards).

I know she would never be with Sairaorg. But the guy I was replying to said she'd be with Ise because it would upgrade her social standing. Sairaorg has a much higher social standing than Ise will ever get. That was my point.

[Tbolt]

The reason Zekrum Bael wants Ise to become Maou is no that Ise would be a great Maou on his own it would be so Zekrum could pull Ise's strings the same with Sairaorg. It has nothing to do with them being good Maou's or not they would just be tools.

[iNoto]

Originally Posted by Tbolt

The reason Zekrum Bael wants Ise to become Maou is no that Ise would be a great Maou on his own it would be so Zekrum could pull Ise's strings the same with Sairaorg. It has nothing to do with them being good Maou's or not they would just be tools.

And leads me to believe that he will never become one because he doesn't need to, he's already famous and he's a strong individual, has a lot of attention.

Maou is just a waste of time for issei.

[Armando99]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

I know she would never be with Sairaorg. But the guy I was replying to said she'd be with Ise because it would upgrade her social standing. Sairaorg has a much higher social standing than Ise will ever get. That was my point.

Do you really think that? IMO, Issei has a higher standing than Sairaorg in the Devil society specially after he beat him in the game. If you hark back after the fight, Sairaorg's standing even in his own family went way down. ALL the high class devil that used to be his support all left. I remember Sirzech's saying this when he was talking to him.

As far as the ordinary Devil folks, Issei is their Hero after saving them and after the exploits he was prominent in were broadcasted all over the underworld. In addition, he also has the Oppai Dragon show which is the biggest hit in underworld TV.

Last and best, why do you think the original founder of the Bael family asked Issei if he wanted to be Maou? He must think of him quite highly.

[Malicre]

Originally Posted by Armando99

Do you really think that? IMO, Issei has a higher standing than Sairaorg in the Devil society specially after he beat him in the game. If you hark back after the fight, Sairaorg's standing even in his own family went way down. ALL the high class devil that used to be his support all left. I remember Sirzech's saying this when he was talking to him.

As far as the ordinary Devil folks, Issei is their Hero after saving them and after the exploits he was prominent in were broadcasted all over the underworld. In addition, he also has the Oppai Dragon show which is the biggest hit in underworld TV.

Last and best, why do you think the original founder of the Bael family asked Issei if he wanted to be Maou? He must think of him quite highly.

Agree with everything you said.

[sunsengnim]

What Issei has is charisma and people the 2 most important things if you want to make it as a politician.

Issei is without a doubt more famous then Sairaorg EVERYONE knows his name and every faction not only fears him but wants to get in his good graces going on his current achievements it's obvious he's going to achieve even more from this point on.

Not only that he has women like Rias, Ravel + many others behind him who combined would make a better politician/strategist then Sairaorg.

So Issei has more fame and renown then Sairaorg could ever hope for + he has people behind him who would take care of the politics.

Issei has people behind him that would follow him to the ends of the earth and there doesn't seem to be an end to the support he has behind him.

So charisma + hero + people = he's got Sairaorg beat not to mention Sairaorg would most likely not mind being Issei's right hand man as long as he would accomplish his goals.

So yes while Sairaorg on his own would make a better leader Issei with the people behind him would make an even better one.

I'M NOT SAYING HE SHOULD BE MAOU god that sounds like such a huge pain i'm just saying overall Issei would make a better one then Sairaorg.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by Armando99

Do you really think that? IMO, Issei has a higher standing than Sairaorg in the Devil society specially after he beat him in the game. If you hark back after the fight, Sairaorg's standing even in his own family went way down. ALL the high class devil that used to be his support all left. I remember Sirzech's saying this when he was talking to him.

As far as the ordinary Devil folks, Issei is their Hero after saving them and after the exploits he was prominent in were broadcasted all over the underworld. In addition, he also has the Oppai Dragon show which is the biggest hit in underworld TV.

Last and best, why do you think the original founder of the Bael family asked Issei if he wanted to be Maou? He must think of him quite highly.

As Tbolt said, Zekrum wants puppets for him to manipulate, so no, he doesn't think highly of Ise.

And, again Sairaorg social standing didn't change. He's still the heir of the Great King Bael, the Highest-Class family in the Underworld.

I'll repeat this as many times as I need: Ise is not a politician, he doesn't have the talent for it and neither he has interest. This is not Naruto where you can become a leader of a Ninja Village even if you ditched the classes that teached how to be a ninja.

@ sunsengnim: He wouldn't be better than Sairaorg. Sairaorg has been preparing himself to be a politician for years, gathering high-class people to support you when your own family doesn't is not an easy thing. Especially when your family is at the top of the chain of command. I doubt the girls in Ise's harem know half as much about politics as Sairaorg.

[Somethindarker]

Issei would make a terrible Maou. He's not a leader, strategist, diplomat or politician. Sure he's popular with the people but he'd end up becoming a puppet or used for other peoples ends add the fact that he wouldn't be allowed to have his harem he'd never want to be a Maou cuz him of all people knows he's not cut out for it. The Gremory wouldn't let him be a Maou neither since they need him to compete in ratings games to keep his star power going.

[Chris38]

Guys, maybe you should move this discussion about Ise being Maou to some other thread, like this one: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=128729

Since, I think that we are getting a little off topic, considering this thread is supposed to be about Issei's harem

[kikix]

Well, it is kind of related, isn't it?! Being a maou = no harem, unless he'd change the rules (or break them...)...

Anyway, wasn't this discussed before?! Few things that people seem to miss.
1) Maou are neither leaders nor politicians. They are figureheads. The best figureheads are the famous, charismatic idiots that cannot think for themselves. Plus for being strong so that they wouldn't die to assassins. Issei fits this perfectly EXACTLY because he's not interested in politics.
2) Both for Issei and for Sairaorg, becoming a maou would be degrading to their status. As a maou they would become underlings of the Great King (Bael). For Sairaorg it would be like going from the master to the servant. Clearly not a good idea, right?! For Issei?! He's gathering (without caring about it) a considerable political influence. Year forward, as long as he won't become a maou, he may gain enough power to compete with Great King for the position of the "puppetmaster". The times are changing and a different sort of social ruling is looked for (hence the alliance, among others), that's a chance for competition. Becoming an underling is like instantly forsaking the chance of competing.
3) Neither marriage nor being a part of peerage is necessary for increasing ones social standing through another. Sona, as the head of Sitri family, could form an alliance with Issei. As such she would become his EQUAL, instead of servant. And without any sort of romance. If she would be interested in that, this would be the best course of action for her.

Besides, wouldn't it be a lot more fun if Issei became the king of dragons instead?! Why stick to devils when he can rule over the strongest species in the world (albeit considerably weakened by...what?! Was it even explained why they are endangered to the point of needing Tanning to earn part of Underworld for them?)?! Keh...

PS: About Sona being in Issei's harem...is it just me or does Issei really show little to none interest in HER, instead?! Dunno, he didn't really seem to care particularly. Partially because of Saji, but...oh well.

[Always86]

I think describing the Maou as idiots who can't think for themselves is pretty unfair.

If the wanted Ise as Maou they would have to allow Harems. Was it confirmed that none of them have Harems or only Sirzechs? I seem to remember asking this before, but I figured it was a Grayfia saying no thing,

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by kikix

Besides, wouldn't it be a lot more fun if Issei became the king of dragons instead?! Why stick to devils when he can rule over the strongest species in the world (albeit considerably weakened by...what?! Was it even explained why they are endangered to the point of needing Tanning to earn part of Underworld for them?)?! Keh...

Not all of them are going extinct, only Tannin's underlings are because they need a fruit that exists in the Underworld.

The reason Dragons aren't prominent is because they don't give a fuck about anything, most of the time.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

ENOUGH we're moving this to the other topics thread.

[Royalknightftw]

@Always it was Rias's mom who said that no harems for maou
@kikix agree for the most part, but current maou is not just an idiot figurehead, they only just lack of political support . And i believe the reasons why dragons are few because well they are quite a dangerous entity, so most of them are either sealed or killed and some species need dragon fruit which is quite rare to find.

[kikix]

Originally Posted by Royalknightftw

@kikix agree for the most part, but current maou is not just an idiot figurehead, they only just lack of political support .

I know that. I didn't say they are. I just said that the best figureheads are the idiots that are easily controled.

The last time this topic arose I was more in-depth about it. I also said that Sirzechs and Co. are not what the old devils would want because they are capable in their own right, and when figureheads (like how the old devils see the maous) are capable leaders, it becomes dangerous. I also said that the status quo is held only to prevent another civil war since neither side wants it. That's why they are trying to stay out of each others way.

[darkofficer]

What will be the chance of minarets suddenly being split in 2. 1 part kiba the other part yuumi, how large will the thread be