Kantai Collection ~Kancolle~ (Browser Game)

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Stats are secondary in Kancolle anyway to the most important aspect of all: are they cute?

Originally Posted by Sheba

White-haired beauty wearing a ushanka please. Voiced by Uesaka who can show off her Russian and probably drawn by Fumikane.

At least Bep can finally have a dancing partner.

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I would personally like a tall, reasonably muscular, handsome woman not unlike Velmet from Jormungand, Balalaika or Zarya. I know, I'm probably in the minority, but if the reason for including the Russians is variety, then let's go for variety in their appearance too =3

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

Wrong question to ask. What use for example do the Unryū-class realistically have? What use do the Italian CAs have (before the Kai Ni for Zara)? What use do the DDs recently added have? None, they are trophy ships, period. It's up to the teitoku to decide what to do with them.

I won't say it's a wrong question to ask. True, a trophy ship has little use outside bragging rights and whatever her TTK has in mind for her. But that shouldn't stop the player from hoping that an event reward would be a viable asset to the fleet, or at least suggest ways of how a ship with a dismal design and/or history can be improved on ingame. Of course, hopes are just hopes and the final call is with the devs. But it is always possible for a weak/not-so-strong shipgirl to make a Great Leap Forward via the power of blueprints. Case in point: the Fusou sisters, and more recently, Suzuya.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

They aren't very long ranged from what I recall. The Gangut was not designed to really go anywhere. The Baltic Sea or later the Black Sea were their stomping grounds.

Range might not be an issue, I think. They should be able to equip at least the 35.6cms without penalty so those alone should give them the Long range even if they somehow don't come with Long range built into them like the other battleships.

So land bombardment battleships or expedition battleships? With her guns, she would be an effective cruiser killer, but she's too slow to catch them.

If they have low fuel consumption, they could supplement or replace the Ise class in support expeditions.

[Sheba]

She might be the only foreign shipgirl in ido's base who dont need a kotatsu.

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by Sheba

She might be the only foreign shipgirl in ido's base who dont need a kotatsu.

I'm already looking forward to her interactions with Warspite, the Germans and US girls. And maybe even with Teste too, like mocking Napoleon's futile attempts before the Russian winter (at probably taking a swipe at the Germans at the same time too)

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Estavali

I'm already looking forward to her interactions with Warspite, the Germans and US girls. And maybe even with Teste too, like mocking Napoleon's futile attempts before the Russian winter (at probably taking a swipe at the Germans at the same time too)

To Bep, she could even be a cool big sister figure, harsh mom or her Crystal/Aquarius Saint (dépend on which Saint Seiya continuity).

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Nearly all recent additions have their uses, or have had game mechanics added that make them useful. Unryu is an escort carrier, which might be useful on long anti-submarine missions or convoy missions should their be any.

Uh, no. The Unryū-class are regular fleet carriers. And I'm curious how somebody who doesn't play the game can make a call regarding the uses of recent additions and mechanics.

Originally Posted by Estavali

I won't say it's a wrong question to ask. True, a trophy ship has little use outside bragging rights and whatever her TTK has in mind for her. But that shouldn't stop the player from hoping that an event reward would be a viable asset to the fleet, or at least suggest ways of how a ship with a dismal design and/or history can be improved on ingame. Of course, hopes are just hopes and the final call is with the devs. But it is always possible for a weak/not-so-strong shipgirl to make a Great Leap Forward via the power of blueprints. Case in point: the Fusou sisters, and more recently, Suzuya.

There is a difference between hoping to be a "viable asset" and saying "if [addition] can't be potentially better than [top of the class] or get some special mechanic, she'll be useless from a gameplay point of view" - which is what AC-Phoenix was essentially saying. Going by his logic the entire Unryū-class for example is useless. But I do think they are a "viable asset", even if they can't top the other fleet carriers in terms of stats.

[LoweGear]

More clues about the upcoming event from an interview with Tanaka. Most of this info is known before, but at least this one is more complete:

Tanaka: The theme of our next event, in their words,the spring event, will be literally "every day is a decisive battle!" Every day is a hard fight! This spring, there will be three normal maps and two extra maps, for a "somewhat large mid-sized event".

....We have heard it will be an operation on the northern front.

Tanaka: Yes. It will be in the north, but not AL. The song that's already in Kancolle, “Protection of the Shikon”. It will not be a battle of ships, but about the people who struggled in the northern defense force after the fighting that day. This defensive battle is landed as the motif of this event.[2]

Northern? Not ships, but a defensive battle? i must do research!

Tanaka: Yes, it is the battle where the Type 97 torpedo bomber fought its last, harsh battle... Ah, rght. Speaking of new shipgirls, one will appear whose name originates in this area.

...hmmm...who could it be...isn't it about time to open a new operational area?

Tanaka: That's right. This is not related to the name of the ship we talked about earlier, but we're also preparing a new large ship, battleship type. Her name changed in a revolution, but was then changed back.

A battleship! And, revolution!

Tanaka: We're also beginning to prepare to implement kaiboukan [3]. Also, shipgirls born as a cargo and passenger ships, converted to carriers, with a tragic fate. The name ship of that class is currently slated to be implemented.

Tai- ....is that the ship!?

Tanaka: Yes, it's that ship. She had been personified well before Kancolle and the current subculture, one of a beautiful set of three sisters. Ships...are truly wonderful existences.

I guess it's inevitable in some way.

Tanaka: At first, she will be weak, but if you equip and raise her well, it will be possible to use her as a powerful ASW carrier.

Pretty much confirms Taiyou as the first of the CVE's to be implemented.

[Estavali]

It may also hint who this shipgirl "whose name originates in this area" may be: the kaiboukan Shimushu, named after the island of Shumshu. According to the Japanese wiki article on the Type 97, surviving planes took off from the Shumshu base in response to the Soviet invasion of the North Kurils. That was, according to the article, the last combat action in the war involving Japanese torpedo bombers. Other possible candidates, also kaiboukan, that were named after islands in the Kurils would be Kunashiri and Etorofu. That said, I'm putting my bets on Shimushu as she was ceded to the USSR after the war.

This also confirms the event is modeled after the Soviet invasion of the Kurils. So expect Russian-themed Abyssals?

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

There is a difference between hoping to be a "viable asset" and saying "if [addition] can't be potentially better than [top of the class] or get some special mechanic, she'll be useless from a gameplay point of view" - which is what AC-Phoenix was essentially saying. Going by his logic the entire Unryū-class for example is useless. But I do think they are a "viable asset", even if they can't top the other fleet carriers in terms of stats.

While I see your point, I can't agree on the Unryuus in particular. Their Kais come with rather rare planes and Unryuu herself with the ability to get a better version of the Reppu. (Although profeciency has decreased the use)

The russian ship however will likely lack such a benefit without a special mechanic because 12 incher(I seriously have to look up if they can even penetrate the Hotel's or the Stick's armor)

I'd say the Kamikazes make a better example but you can at least use them for expeditions.

There are also still a good amount of other countries' , which are not US btw, ship left s out there that can easily top our 2 russian contenders in all fields. (whichever of the two it will be in the end)

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In case you were referring to Ithekro, by not playing the game some GP info for him:
Its a point of topping them during Night battle, which has different calculation that day battle.

In night battle a shipgirl's strength is decided by adding thier Torpedo Power to their Firepower.
i.e You get 139 from Yamato, who doesn't have torpedoes, 135 from Bisko (99FP + 36 Torpedo == 135 ) and Iowa with 115.
Again all weaponless stats, otherwise Iowa could possibly Trump bisko again (too lazy to calculate equipment)

Note this ranking only goes to night battles, during the day Bisko would share spot 7 with some dreadnougths, Making the Top 3: Yamato, Iowa, Warspite.

There are other stats that are rather important for Night battle though, one of which Warspite Excels over all other ships: Luck, which basically helps her getting more cut-ins.
If you take the rest of the stats into consideration Iowa wouldd probably be e better contender in the Night Battle ranking too since she comes with a high luck stat too (not as high as Warspite though)

The thing regarding Bisko is though, that she is still rather useful in day battle due to being a viable ship for Fast Fleets.

The actual ranking can highly differ between players as upgrading guns also increases their firepower as a hidden stat.

If you assume: Ships own historic spotters + historic guns + Type one Shell night battle would be like:
200 Yamato 179 Bisko, 173 Iowa,

Though if you really want to increase her Night battl epower you'd use a torpedo instead of the shell (which will however likely result in less overall damage due to enemy armor)

All in all it is however still possible for an apparently weaker ship to top a stronger one in night battle if their stats add up better.

Originally Posted by Estavali

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Range might not be an issue, I think. They should be able to equip at least the 35.6cms without penalty so those alone should give them the Long range even if they somehow don't come with Long range built into them like the other battleships.

Which is basically what I meant earlier regarding making them far better than they should be. its 305mm vs 356mm. It sounds like little difference but is actually a lot. Especially if you add in accuracy and range.

[Ithekro]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

Uh, no. The Unryū-class are regular fleet carriers. And I'm curious how somebody who doesn't play the game can make a call regarding the uses of recent additions and mechanics.


There is a difference between hoping to be a "viable asset" and saying "if [addition] can't be potentially better than [top of the class] or get some special mechanic, she'll be useless from a gameplay point of view" - which is what AC-Phoenix was essentially saying. Going by his logic the entire Unryū-class for example is useless. But I do think they are a "viable asset", even if they can't top the other fleet carriers in terms of stats.

Because there is talk of an escort carrier being added I was thinking about Un'yō, Taiyō-class escort carrier. I rarely see Unryū come up, so my brain went straight to Un'yō as a future addition.

Fleet carriers are always useful, because it is almost impossible to get less functional than Houshou.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

There are also still a good amount of other countries' , which are not US btw, ship left s out there that can easily top our 2 russian contenders in all fields. (whichever of the two it will be in the end).

And those ships are unlikely to top the Iowa in stats or equipment and are - in your own words - without use.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

And those ships are unlikely to top the Iowa in stats or equipment and are - in your own words - without use.

You totally misreading what I wanted to say here :/
Iowa is jsut an extreme example, due to her overall high stats while still counting as an FBB.
Whichever ship will get added on the other hand is likely to have lower FP stats than Ise or Hyuuga.
The issue is that even if she manages to to beat the other FBBs in YasenPower, they will still remain the smarter choice to them being more resilient.

My usual Yasen fleet in Combined fleet has Bisko btw, not Iowa. If I sortie Iowa to cbn fleet maps she is always in the Main fleet. (depending on requirements, usually together with her BFF Yamato)

Oh regarding my ranking comment earlier: I totally forgot about Musashi, so Bisko is actually 3rd and Iowa 4th.


The counter question I have to ask you though is what you expect from the russian ship.
She is still low ranged and has a low caliber and I can't imagine their cannons were particulary accurate either.
The thing that MIGHT be interesting is its AA gun - I still don't have high hopes for that though given the AA guns already in game.

There is also a matter not yet touched:
If my research on that matter is correct, the Gangut calss didn't have spotter planes nor a catapult. (At least wikipedia specifically mentions it for all other ships)

i.e Translated to Kancole that means, she can't use artillery spotting

I am leaving the chance of this being wrong open here, because Wikipedia doesn't mention Arizona's float planes either.

[Ithekro]

At least one of the Gangut had a flying off platform and had some cranes fitted from a heavy cruiser for weight saving.

Try finding post refit images of these ships with the larger bow and the funky funnel and see if you can find aircraft locations.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Estavali

This also confirms the event is modeled after the Soviet invasion of the Kurils. So expect Russian-themed Abyssals?

Abyssal Bears, and Putin-look-alike Northern Ocean Abyssal Tsar, voiced by Jouji Nakata (he was already Putin in Legend of Koizumi). /jk

[Estavali]

Event name is out: "出撃！北東方面 第五艦隊" ("Sortie! 5th Fleet to the Northeast")

Wiki entry on the IJN 5th fleet.

[ganbaru]

The monthly ranking reward are out, save for the late model torpedo it's all land-based fighters. Not much clues about the next kamusu but it might be more about the event next month.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

The monthly ranking reward are out, save for the late model torpedo it's all land-based fighters. Not much clues about the next kamusu but it might be more about the event next month.

oh those are land based fighters...
Should have known from their size when I saw them as new equip in KC³

[Sheba]

More transport missions to establish landbases, anti-sub patrols, etc...

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[AC-Phoenix]

So assuming this event has something to do with the BB KaiNi, who is the most likely candidate?

[Kakurin]

No one, since this event isn't connected to the BB Kai Ni.

[Sheba]

IIRC, by the time the Soviet started to invade the Kuril islands, most of surviving BBs were in ports, like Kure.