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Old 2015-06-03, 09:40   Link #65
Slayerx
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Originally Posted by itachi-san314 View Post
I never said it was. I said it was a character trait of Sasuke's and his current actions fall right in line with who he's always been. Expecting something else is to expect a different character.

He did respect Itachi and what he did. If you notice, Itachi was never the target of his hatred after Sasuke found out the truth. He actually loved him more than ever. The village wasn't innocent in his eyes.
No he did not. It doesn't matter that he had no hatred for itachi, what he went on to do spit in the face of everything that itachi fought and died for. Having true respect for someone's sacrfice means to make certain that their sacrfice was not in vain, to help make sure that they accomplish what they gave their life for. Truly respecting Itachi's sacrfice would have meant helping him fulfill the dream he died to make possible. By trying to destroy konoha and helping start a war Sasuke was in fact making Itachi's sacrfice utterly meaningless. Had Sasuke succeeded, Itachi would have suffered and died for nothing. He would have died in vain... What makes it worst is that edo tensei makes it so Itachi would go to the after life KNOWING he failed to save sasuke from a life of darkness and misery, and prevent war.

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if by 'good future' you mean 'murdered family and friends' then I don't agree
Good future realtive to what itachi could give him. Thanks to the uchiha coup, sasuke was due to deal with pain in his life but Itachi could atleast fight to salvage what was left. Sasuke however took that chance itachi died to make happen and threw it back in his face. Sasuke went down the one path that itachi tried to stop him from going down.



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Originally Posted by Artful_Dodger View Post
Most people here often like to emphasize Sasuke’s evil deeds, but never seem to want to acknowledge what made him become that way. What makes it worse is that Kishimoto has been wailing on the dead horse of socialization for about a decade(we’re explicitly shown how every villain becomes a villain), to get the point across to children yet, it seems to go right over your heads somehow.

Do you watch or read the news? Or read any history? Anyway, “psycho” is a broad term that really just means anyone who suffers from some kind of psychosis, so I wouldn’t expect a “psycho” to act any one very particular way.
I do read the news, i read plenty of stories about psychos and cirminasl and what-not, and that's exactly where i'm coming from. With many of them, i can see where their flawed thinking comes from, how they can draw the wrong conclusions to rationalize the horrible things that they do. But not with Sasuke. His thinking doesn't add up even in a flawed sense. He loves and respects his brother and yet he goes on to make all of his sacrifices meaningless. How does DESTORYING everything Itachi died for respect the sacrfices he made? Also he fully understands that the most of the village is innocent and yet claims them guilty anyway. With most of the IRL killers, they do not believe such innocence, they don't actually understand, that's what creates the flawed thinking that leads them to rationalize everyone as guilty. Its like they are not seeing the whole picture and just drawing the wrong conclusions... What makes it more nonsensecial is that i can get some idea of what might be going on in the mind of a criminal even though i only have helf idea of who they are; in contrast i know EVERYTHING that sasuke knows and it still doesn't make sense. I DO acknowledge everything that happened to sasuke, i however do not think his actions make sense given what he knew. The story itself doesn't add up right.

For sasuke's motivations and actions to actually work there has to be something he fails to understand, something that he's missing that helps create his utterly screwed up perspective. But he's not missing anything, he knows the full truth and knows, he knows everything we know but he draws a completely different conclusion... Really his story might have worked better if Madara had simply lied to sasuke or left certain details out, such as neglecting to tell him sarutobi tried to stop the genocide and stop the coup peacefully, and allow sasuke to think that the village all scorned the uchiha, thus giving him his rationalization that they were all guilty.
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